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Ziran too weak for meta

#12

lol ive been testing various versions… im not one to be running loads of two drops as late games i find myself top decking while opponent has 5 cards in hand

#13

I’m doing something similar but I cut sunriser and run afterblaze in its place because it has good synergy with divine bond and card cycling

#14

i had to the try hards on ladder is real man lol

#15

i cut afterblaze completely… in this meta they have answers for EVERYTHAAANG nomatter what i throw at them its instantly removed n saberspine tigers uuuuggggh!!!

#16

i had a game once the guy had 0 card in hand i double afterblaze on silverguard knight to hit face had one more turn for lethal the guy replaced and got shroud auto killing the knight my hopes and dreams were crushed

#17

That is what the professional calls ‘overcommitment’

#18

true but some games u gotta put everything on the line because you are so close to dying

#19

have you tried solarius and spelljammer? they work wonders in my deck.

#20

for some reason the landscape mode doesn’t work
http://manaspring.ru/db/2GG1/

i originally made it as a half-bond, half-heal budget deck though the only good bond target is ironcliffe or something with afterblaze

after a bit of tweaking it ended up with a suprising amount of 2x, reducing its reliability (a trend in the way i make decks)

it tends to run out of steam late game if you cant get a zeal-afterblaze or lkian

my winrate at about 50% not great, but not that bad

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#21

I usually use it in combo with divine bond on a silverguard knight because with divine bond afterblaze basically reads give minion +6/+4

#22

using one solarius dusted spelljammers never really liked it plus opponent normally uses it

#23

Sad thing is that after the expansion, Argeon will still be better at Heal decks

Hopefully some of the unseen cards will change that. …

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#24

oh that kind of lyonar…ye i guess that can work once u have the pressure to drop combo for game…but i mean stormblades zir sky phalanx sigh they just cant see play

#25

I’ve actually found reworked spelljammer to be incredible because of its 5 health stat in divine bond using decks, plus I find my opponent rarely clearing or even hitting spelljammer so i find it to be a reliable buff target

#26

Kevin, I have been using a Ziran deck with okay results in diamond (and S-rank in the past 2 seasons) that has maybe like a 50ish winrate, but I feel your pain. I haven’t had quite your level of losing streak, but it is hard to make a Ziran deck that feels like you have the edge against other decks.

Anyway, do not despair too hard, as certainly the expansion will help Ziran a bit. Even if Argeon ends up stronger in the end like some predict, Ziran should be at least a bit easier to ladder with in a few hours once the new cards arrive

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#27

This. Spelljammer is great in Argeon (and I guess also Ziran?) ever since they changed his stats.

#29

I played healyonar at diamond rank 2 using sun sister sterope ,with success last season so I think my deck is fine, the concern is just how much more effort it takes to play the healyonar archetype with success by comparison to tempo or aggro with argeon. I know that kaleos decks and starhorn decks are experiencing similar problems.

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#30

well that was 2 days ago that was fine its just from yesterday until today alot of try hards on ladder try play some games today n feel my pain lol

#31

Well, the expansion is coming today (any minute now), so any point made about meta is a bit… not really pertinent?

#32

havent seen any game changing ziran cards besides the one that heal general ye you can heal opponent minion but why would you wanna. i guess trinity oath might give us a push