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Why was tiger nerfed?

I think their objective was to slow the game even more or to be precise support minion/board based decks (whether they are aggro decks or not doesn’t matter). By nerfing tiger they reduce the possibility of an unwanted burst deck being created. To add to this, saberspine was too flexible of a card. It could be used as removal or burst damage depending on the situation. Basically, a neutral 3 mana fenix fire that sometimes dealt more damage. Lastly, Tiger was INSANELY powerful in gauntlet as a player 2 or 1 answer to any threat. The same goes for ranked games. All in all, I am in favor or nerfing the card since it promoted a very fast style play which in turn destroyed any hope of board based decks becoming good.

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Katara needed a buff.

I think that CP tried to nerf aggro decks a little bit. If they succeeded only meta will tell.

Tiger is a really great card an a staple for many decks. It made a lot of two drops not viable. Vale Hunter meta incoming!

Every other patch Tiger breaks the game one way or another. It’s been a problem card since Duelyst went on public beta.

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Cough rev cough

Rev is consistently an asshole, but he’s never been low curve enough to break the game. He definitely deserved the bump to 8 mana though.

Tyger Tyger, nerfed tonight,
In the meta at its height;
What immortal hand or eye,
Could give a 4 drop this stat line?

In what ancient meta games,
Burnt the rushcats, with borrowed flames?
On what movement spells did he soar?
Of what the lethals with Argeon’s roar?

And what fluid pixel art,
Could clear the two drops at game’s start?
And when the noobs first join the game,
What the finisher, to make their decks less lame?

What the Immolate? what the range,
What of tryhards who play Faie?
What the first wish? what deadly grasp,
What will Aggro Faie play now, white asp?!

When the forums threw down their salt
And @kevin2hard’s nerf threads came to a halt:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who nerf the fox nerf thee?

Tyger Tyger, nerfed tonight,
In the meta at its height;
What immortal hand or eye,
Could give a 4 drop this stat line?

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Tyger. Was. Oppressive.

The devs couldn’t design powerful buff spells, without risking a high number of anticlimactic games at the paws of a buffed Tyger. Rush is too complicated, and too strong to make universally available AND efficient.

Like many artifacts from earlier designs, the developers likely didn’t play Duelyst the way that people do on the ladder. To them, Tyger was probably a trading tool- more than a “count to 10 burnspell”.

So yeah, open up design space for buff spells, by making Tyger properly costed as a tech card.

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They could’ve altered the text to not allow damaging to generals. We have assassin protocol. Not a complaint, just an option.

However, hedgekitties are now too weak for cost. They should be 3/4’s for four mana. That way, they have plenty of targets they can survive hitting, leaving the opponent with a small threat to mop up. Seems reasonable.

Also, I’d be okay with rushers not being able to hit generals the turn they hit the field as a permanent change to rush itself. For that matter, change celerity so that celerity minions can’t hit the same target twice in one activation. That would allow for much more freedom in designing celerity minions and buffing the currently existent ones. Designing overpowered keywords inevitably leads to having to restrict how many minions get those keywords and what can be done with those minions. Ahem. Ranged.

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There’s value in having keywords that are stronger than others. Sure, they’re powerful, but you can restrict what gets them. It’s another way to add strength outside of just numbers. Just want to add that super-strong keywords aren’t inherently bad for the game.

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I really like your change to celerity. It would allow rippers to still be safely summoned far away from battle but not otk you so easily. Also like you said it would allow for there to be more celerity minions

Powerful keywords aren’t inherently bad, but you do have to be careful with them. Make them too strong, and your only options become “Have cards with those keywords be overpowered,” and “Have cards with those keywords be underpowered.” Ranged would be my go-to example, with most ranged cards being so unimpactful the turn they come out and so fragile that they’re unplayable, because if Counterplay wasn’t cautious with their stats they’d be game-dominating units. Which I hear ranged units are in Gauntlet, due to the lack of removal, not that I play Gauntlet.

Frenzy, forcefield, celerity, rush and blast are also very powerful keywords, and most of the cards that make use of them are bad, or simply not good enough, with a few of them being really good. I can think of one particular card that uses two of those words together and is seen in almost every deck its faction builds at higher levels.

Were it left to me, I’d change all of the so-far mentioned abilities, plus flying, to be less inherently powerful, and then see about buffing the individual cards that use them, as appropriate. If anyone’s curious to hear, I’ll happily tell what those changes would be, so that you may render your collective judgement.

I don’t necessarily agree that strong keywords create polarizing creatures between too-strong and too-weak. There’s always a point of balance. Whether that is by themselves, or combined with another strategy, they have a place in the game and we shouldn’t force the keywords to have similar power to others.

Most powerful keywords come with low stats, but those minions synergize very well with buff cards. Without those minions, most buff cards would be even less useful (they’re already not that great, outside of things like first wish and ones that are only used as part of a finisher combo).

So you see, everything has a place, and “normalizing” things would actually limit creativity and options as opposed to expanding them.