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What u thinking about cpg politic to new players?

#1

Hello! I’m diamond abbysian player, with >1500 games and ~10 months of playing duelyst.
I have >70% cards,
but i thinking about: if i start play now?
ok u gain basic cards when u up lvl of any general, so what u can with basic cards?
20-15 rank maximum, if u wanna get 10 u need to gain shimzar + rise of bloodborn + ancient bonds sets.
~30 packs of core set = 3000 gold ~15 packs of shimzar = 1500 gold + rise of bloodborn >3000 gold + ancient bonds =3900 gold = minimum 11500 gold + u need spirit to craft some cards for any faction, like a abbysian min 2700 for 3 revenants because abbysian cant play good without it.
so, 11k gold u can farm for 110 days, if u farm every day 100 gold ~= 1/3 of year to up 10 rank.
or u can pay ~100$ to gain all of these.
“A” class games prices ~60$, but duelyst isn’t “A” class game)
in my opinion newest players doesn’t want stupid farming 1/3 of year, or pay ~100$ for indie game.

sry 4 bad english

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#2

10 mouths of playing duelyst?

10 mouths?

10 mouths. So 3 hydraxes and a serpenti?

nice tech cards

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#3

sry 4 bad english

#4

You don’t have to unlock much stuff to reach gold, or even diamond if you’re pretty good. There are some budget decks without bloodborn/ancientbond cards that run just fine.

#5

Regardless of your English, you make a sound point. Unfortunately, this issue is a famously tricky one for all CCGs and TCGs. The tried and true solution seems to be a rotating standard format, or the slow death of the game. While I like duelyst as it is, I’ve also been playing for over a year now, and am deep into the game. I don’t have to worry about entrance fees anymore, but I get that people do, and CPG has to understand this because at the end of the day, it’s their business model we’re discussing. My best guess for how this gets resolved is that in 2~3 sets, rotation will start and new players will have lower starting fees to worry about with fewer legal sets

#6

I’m played vs that decks and won them easy with expansion cards and mechanics. only op budjet lynar decks can won me before they r nerfed, but they have trinity oath (rise of bloodborn expansion)

#7

That’s why actually, it’s basically free.

You can hardly compare games with different business model just because they are “games”.

#8

i think new players need possibility to craft expansion cards

#9

basically free 10 months dull gameplay, who wants that?

#10

Well thats alot of numbers but I’m American so that means ur numbers are fake news and not the truth.
Let me tell you what the truth is before this millennial age our cards games were with actual cards. How did we get these cards… We PAID for them that’s right no hand outs, no_____ here just good ol fashion American inflated green here. Of course you could trade with people like some type of communist hippie buy we bleed and sweated money to make our decks.

Fast forward 8 non progressed years and little tykes want everything for free… Me I didn’t know cp was paid by air and good will. I could have sworn they were a corporation and thus need money to express their court given right as a person.

You make the gold to easy to get no one will buy the packs. CP needs to make money really some people are gonna have to make a choice between th at new iPhone 8 and the full ancient bonds pack… Like health care.

I’m a saying this in jest for some of you who don’t get it… But the core message is simple they can’t make gold or Spirit easy to get then no one would buy their packs. I assume CP has to show a large user base or profit in some way. Can we make gold and spirit accumulation easy for ppl under a certain level I would say sure.

Newbies will always have it bad cause with every expansion the hole deepens, with every new mechanic the wall grows.

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#11

I should mention that “daily free card” kinda helps. There’s a lot of stuff you can do even with common cards.

Also, there’s draft mode.

#12

People that don’t want to pay 60ish $ for a game (as they may pay, for instance, on a console game) but still want to have hundreds hours of playing (as they will rarely have, again for a console game).
See ? It’s flawed to compare “games” :stuck_out_tongue:

Seriously, you can’t ask for :

  • a free game
  • that entertain you for countless hours
  • where you can have, with time and no money, all the features (cards)
  • and the small company that produce it, still survives

That would be a very bad business model.

#13

I am going to blow people’s mind with this statement but you don’t need all the cards in the game,Heck You don’t need 70 percent of the cards in the game.

You play one faction craft relevant cards make one good deck ,then you play another faction get the relevant cards make one good deck ,Repeat.And In process of doing that you play gauntlets and do your quests and slow build up cards.When good deals pop up like expansion for 20 dollars or some other special orb deal you buy a couple.

People get too caught in amount of cards i will give a some examples

They are 10 neutral legends 7 cost or higher only of them is really used Meltdown
They are 6 neutral legends at the 6 cost none of them are considered staples
They are 6 neutral legends at the 5 cost only two of them are used Keeper and the new Trinity Wings

I love duelyst but competitive wise a larger majority of cards are hot garbage not worth playing

#14

man i’m say for new players.

I have that expansions(i buy rise of bloodborn because i wanna give my money to cpg for that game and for their future)
but on moment of paying i have ~ 400 hours in steam, and i love that game on that moment

new players that go to this game now, see that prices and say ‘‘wtf i dont want play this for that money’’

I don’t want to look like duelyst dying without new blood

#15

We all started as news players. New players already have a lot of things to help them :

  • free daily card
  • challenges that give gold
  • starting packs
  • unlocked core cards as you level a faction

I was happy to get some of those when I started, and that’s what led me to commit more in the game and later give a few bucks. That’s the exact point : give enough interest to make the customer pay a little for more.

You can’t split your playerbase and give too much to newcomers or diminish the value of what “older” players took time and/or money to get. It’s a balance and CPG must try to treat everyone the same. To me it’s perfectly fine as it is. I found it even nicer to new incoming players.

Me neither, but a newcomer not giving a buck because he found it too harsh is as bad as an old “paying” player leaving because he’s not treated fairly.

We had a confirmation by the devs that Duelyst is rather healthy, there is only few people arguing about numbers pulled from a third-party site, based on Steam … which is just a part of the client base (plenty people are playing on Standalone and Browser clients, Steam is just a portion).

#16

Does the price of rise of blood borne and ancient bonds changes ge if you bought packs with ur gold???!

#17

can u give some information about browser clients? i wna play duelyst from browser on another pc, bu idk how i can do this

#18

so, ~8k gold are big price for new player?

#19

Just go to https://play.duelyst.com/
Log in and play.
You just have to use Chrome Browser.

I checked on their homepage and indeed, it’s very strange they don’t communicate anymore about Browser Client. @Ryvirath, is it intended ? Is it about to be discontinued ?

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#20

tnx man)) nice))