Fact is vanar will loss to every well tuned deck if played right.
Moat of the players are puking minions hoping it will stick then getting punished hard and salt.
The result - posts like this when playerd below diamond getting to decide how the game should run.
And that’s why we can’t have nice things.
That’s simply not true.
Vanar isn’t non-existent, it’s still considered by many S rank players as one of the strongest factions. If they consider vanar so strong, then that statement can’t be true, S rank players all have quite well tuned decks.
Either way on tcg there where no arcanyst faie.
Maybe 15 precent of tge decks where faie decks.
On my run lost month i encountered almost no faie decks.
As for now it maybe a strong deck, but there are a handfull of strong decks that got support and are now deadlier than faie.
Besides - it is true, in my lost run to s rank alot of the decks i encountered where misplaying, puking minions - these players lost before seven mana.
Those that knew the job where hard matchup and sometimes won.
I main vanar now for 2 years almost, it’s easy for me to identify a good player and a bad one.
Still it dispells 2x2 area including your own minions and it doesn’t do damage.
So now you have to be a diamond player to be able to post opinions.
I am not on diamond whatsoever that doesn’t matter I understand the game cards faction how they work etc.
You are a vanar main which is resulting saying she’s all good when she is not, and on this post it clearly says
And for the replies I have notice that is not just me
I think I have seen 1 arcanyst vanar deck in the entire last month. No clue where that arcanyst is top notion is coming from but it certainly doesn’t match with my experience.
The problem isnt faie but vanar combined with some neutrals
best removal
best lockdown(corona,gravity well,…)
good positioncontrol with heartsister
Basilisk is one incredible op sentinel…if not outplayed it either wins the game or eats hard removal
If outplayed (which is easy since most vanardecks ONLY run basilisk) you have a 3 drop that says ,you cant cast spells,
Basilisk always generates value,even if outplayed,which beats the point of the ,high risk high reward, theme the sentinels were supposed to have
Wild tahr is one incredible op 3drop…its a 3 drop that says ,you cant attack,
DO you know how op it is combined with heartsister and gravity well?What are you supposed to do vs t1 gravity well+wild tahr?
Anyone remembers the days where silverguard was the best 3drops in the game?
Thunderhorn itself isnt realy op…the problem is that vanar can abuse it alot with aspect of shimzar and heartsister
You didn’t understand me, the 1 arcanyst deck was in tcg’s competition.
On ladder i’ve seen alot of arcanyst in gold, no arcanyst on s.
I wasn’t refering to you, my post was about Epicflygons statement that “Arcanyst is top… again.”
This… i use to hear back in the day.
First - basilisk is dispelble, means if you didn’t take care of it it’s your fault same goes for that.
Btw - have you seen thunderhorn and wild thar on songhai?
This is how to abuse positioning.
Second - the best santinel in the game is mind cage oni.
4/3 that copy any spell and can be buffed to hell.
Again, if there is basilisk on board and you didn’t remove it, it’s your problem! Besides you alrrady know it’s a basilisk why would you go in using spells?find a way to play around.
I for one almost never had a problem with this card.
Vanar got the best removel - no! Songhai does, to prove it i’ll send you to look at solo reva decks, i had a solo faie deck back in the days it was a great deck but not half on the lethality as reva.
Besides - if you want to know my opinion i’ll say that there’s so much board that vanar needs to take care of coming from other faction that you can run whatever removels and still come up short.
A good abysian player will bait your dispel and finish you with spec, while poking with desolators, there’s just so much on the table now that saying “vanar is op” is just childish.
If vanar is op, where is vanar in the weekly competitions?
And even if the vanar decks are there, they getting beat in a normal rate and win in a normal rate, it should define op and it proved that vanar is not op.
And stop going for cards in a vacuum that’s not the way to judge a card or anything really, the fact the you play against others binds you to compare a card to others for good evaluetion.
One other point - i agree with you that neutrals are the problem.
As i said before arcanyst minions should’ve got completely nerfed back in the day.
Look at f8D’s tier list, he is more qualified to tell you why they are top, also usage means nothing in the first month.
Ohh sorry, 
15 chard
First of all - yes, i believe that diamond/s players are way expirienced and make less mistakes which will result in evaluating decks in the right way.
You may understand the cards but players on gold are tent to misplay otherwise people who are expirienced players won’t go from gold to diamond in a day or two.
Again understanding the cards by themselves in not enough.
I main vanar for two years now, and i can easly tell you that kineticats vanar, and arcanyst vanar are two of the worst decks on the entire game.
Kineticats got nerfed to death, cpg should have nerfed arcanyst tge same way.
I say that faie is ok because i play alot and even though my decks are great i’m still sfanding on 65 precent win rate on diamond.
65 precent winrate for a good deck that used to win like crazy says that there are other decks that win more then they did ----> vanar is not op anymore.
Yea and it’s not just you, alot of people get salty when they lose because they don’t think throughout their game and jumping on the blame train.
How many people have posted here?12 maybe? Yea… i’ll take my chances saying we’re living in a bigger world.
So don’t place minions in there.
Lets just nerf everything. Only golems and basic cards from now on, boys.
Anything else is just plain unfair
F8ds tierlist is based on generals, so he is listing an S-tier general with a bunch of strong decks for this general. iirc Faie alone has like 3 or 4 decks listed. There are also 4 or even 5 generals listed as S-tier (can’t check because i am at work and imgur is blocked here) each with several viable lists. F8ed also specifically stated in his video for the tier list that the difference between the tiers is very low, there isn’t much difference in strength between even S-tier and Tier 2.
So yeah, Arcanyst Faie is still a good deck, but you made it sound like it’s still by far the best deck as it used to be in AB Meta and that’s not the case at all. I’d say it’s not even the best Vanar deck anymore.
I read it as that as the top one was arcanyst 
And now I just realised its in alphabetical order
Are you telling me that its fine that a 3drop has to be dispelled or else stops you from playing all of your spells?
Who are you to tell me thats its my fault THAT i play right into?If you would have read my post better you would have seen that i said that i never play into it(because most vanar decks only run basilisk anyways)…the problem is that it still generates alot of value simply by stopping me from casting spells and having to spent quite alot recources to remove it
Sentinels were supposed to be ,high risk high reward, yet basilisk is always reward
Tiger-3drop for 3drop
dispel-on a 3mana minion,SERIOUSLY?
removal-on a 3 drop,SERIOUSLY?
I never said that mindkage was fine…
sentinels should be useless if your opponent knows which one youre playing,that is not true with both mindkage and basilisk.
I would reduce their 3/3 form to 1/1 so that there are ways to kill their 3/3 form without spending about the same recources the sentinel player used for the sentinel(youre supposed to get an advantage if you guess correct),a 3/3 for 3mana is not as bad and fragile as it should be for the entire sentinel concept
Ive reached s multiple times ,never with braindead vaath or freelocarnyst(yes i have no respect for all those who used those decks at their prime to get to s and believe that they are bad and just got carryed by those op decks)
,so just stop assuming that im a idiot who does now know how to play duelyst
Just stop defending your main faction.
I feel like duelyst is no longer a realy skillbased game.
Every monkey can reach S with good netdeck vaath and faie lists
Most decks are autopilot
Most situations feel like theres a clear best choice which is imidiately visible
Most times i lost i didnt feel like i got outplayed but simply outvalued by the more efficient deck(recently i missplay alot but simply because im sooooo burned out with duelyst)
Often i asked myself why i even bother with lyonar if i could achieve S so much easyer with other factions
For first im done with duelyst…i just feel like my skill has too little influence on the matches outcome…
I feel like my faction of choice is more important than my piloting
ps: nwardezir wont get my account,so no reason to ask for that
Keep thinking about it, will be the best for everyone, trust me 
Seriously guys, one of you is Lyonar only, the other is Vanar only you will never get to an agreement regarding whose faction is best/worse. I’d highly suggest both of you to play other factions for a change to get a different perspective.