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Vanar Faie bloodbound and chromatic cold

#1

I think her bloodbound skill is a bit unfair it will be great if it had some tweaks to it because her bloodbound skill is the only skill to affect the oposing general, and well thats not bad to affect the oposing general but 2 damage to the whole line thats quite a bit unfair compare to the other bloodbound skills, if it was
A) 1 damage it will be more balanced
B) 2 damage to the line or collum but only minions and not the general
C) just 2 dmg to line 1 to general
D) increase 1 spirit to her BBS
E) deal 2 to EVERYTHING in the enemy general’s column

There are tons of ways to do it

she got this one card (chromatic cold) that does 2 damage and dispells the enemy well is a great card but is kind of unfair that it can hit the general, the card is not bad or anything but it has 2 damage and dispell. but I think that is quite unfair to be able to hit the general directly with it… it could be more balanced in a way that it can only hits enemy minions and dispell them

I dont want you guys to take this the wrong way. I am just trying to help.

So what you guys think is it just me or the skill is unfair compare to the others.
(Sorry for my english)

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Can we remove vanars free damage shot
#2

It’s a common request when you start playing I guess, you’ll get used to it, I highly doubt both change :slight_smile:

You play Vaath or Ziran ?

#3

Seems like you’re not here long enough, just believe in yourself and learn to position and bait removel - faie is fine.

#4

Just to clarify these things are now called bloodbound spells. I think you’re right faie deserves a rework, Mostly because kara eis too far behind IMO. Not a big nerf, just a sligtly weaker BBS.

#5

I got 6 months playing.
I am just saying it because compare to the other skills that one is quite unfair

#6

What? You know why kara got reworked? Have you seen the monster that are kineticats?
I think that if kara is behind she should get more support (bty - arcanyst kara is a beast).
Just like kaleos - he was behind, got support now he’s nuking boards with the tiny dragon.

Playing against faie is playing on the clock, just like playing against reva, you’ll have to adjust and get use to it.
And yes, step up your game, learn to position well, no one needs to nerf things to the ground to ease it on you, c’mon

#7

But I am just comparing her skill with the other generals she can give -2 to the hole line not just your general or minions

#8

Faie is a lot of things, but “fine” is not one of them. Almost any archetype can be outdone by the Vanar version (Meaning Tempo, Aggro, Control, etc., not Obelysks or whatever), but her BBS isn’t the problem.

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#9

My bad got confuse with that word

#10

Reva can get ranged that can get buffed, vaath can go drogon, etc…

Faie doesn’t have support to her bbs, and that’s an importent point.

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#11

I believe and as a main vanar that faie can be outplayed easy if you pay attention.
On s rank just the other day there was no faie decks, and that says something, the new meta go in minion’s direction.
If your bbs support the deck you’ll be ok.
Yes, a good vanar player might outplay you but not because the bbs, but for the face that you can manipulate the board from nowhere.
On tcg this week where a normal amount of faie decks.

The disgusting meta is behind us.

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#12

Not saying that Faie cannot be beaten, more that she’s wayyyyyy overtuned. Arcanyst shells dumpster everything (except Decihorn) in every facet of the game (except healing). Only two (maybe one with the introduction of Luminous Charge) archetypes have a non-losing matchup against her. Vanar as a whole is definitely a problem.

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#13

If that was the case you should have seen her everywhere, but you’re not, maybe on gold.
Arcanyst as a tribe is a problem, with way more support.
I can bet that reva can pull off a deadly arcanyst deck as well.
Which again - i did’nt see faie arcanyst on the tcg at all, there was one arcanyst kara that says alot.

And yes - you will loss and you should loss if you misplay, misposition, against a good vanar player and this is the way it should be.
Vanar as a whole in my prespective is one of the factions that you can play whenever and it’s fun, but it’s when you actually getting good that you can see all the options.
Same with every deck.

Besides now that every deck got so many staples, chromatic cold lost some of its value, it and is getting bait like crazy, that’s one reason for not seeing faie on s.

I can tell agree that faie was disgustingly strong, but the expansion tuned her down by double digits.
As for now i’ve never in my time in duelyst(which is since alpha) never seen a more balanced meta.

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#14

Yeah I am not saying nothing bad about her deck at all but her bloodbound. wich if it was -1 to the general -2 minions same line it would be more fair but compared to the other generals her bloodhound is quite far better than the others also is the only one to affect the opposing general which is my main point.

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#15

Other generals get support for bbs build in deck.
Faie does not.
Some of the generals has bbs that with support from deck can push lethal - faie can’t.
Assuming that you position well the bloodborn is -2 to general your minions stay untouched.
But with other bloodborn spells a general can frenzy you or get 5 dmg from ranged, go 12 face dmg on early midgame, or basically heal everything to blow up the board.

The way i see it the bbs is useful if you have support built in deck to it, otherwise it’s just dmg.

#16

Well still magmar +1 atack on him (dispell him no more buff)
Lyonar (extra atack/health to a minion wich you can dispell)
Abbysian 2 gremlins , 1 dmg to an enemy minion turn his space into spikes if it get killed on same turn
Songhai teleport a friendly minion, summon a 1/1 ranged
Vanar all minion you summon this turn have +1/1
Vanar Faie -2 to the enemy general and minions in the same line
You see all others can be dispelled or countered this one will always be -2 no counter whatsoever and her deck overall is Extremely balanced the only thing is her bloodhound compare to all others is unfair

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#17

You say it like it so easy, it’s not easy stpoing reva and a well positioned heartseeker buffed on a burst of 17 dmg total.
Again - it’s about the potential of the bbs not the dmg it causes

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#18

She has dispells like chromatic cold so is not that hard neither her deck is extremely balance she has ranged, walls, provoke those that go back to your hand when they die etc. is balanced

The only thing is her bloodbound compare to others she has one of the most balanced decks wich there’s nothing I can say against it. but on top of that she has the best bloodbound skill dealing 2 dmg to the whole line and general.

No counter no matter where your general is -2

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#19

I hear you…

The expansion gave every faction a new dispel or die cards, means chromatic cold will get baited and still most of the time will not answer strong enough to shift the game.

In my opinion vanar doesn’t have a better deck then lyonar in matter of sticky minions and provoke.
And doesn’t have good ranged minions either (have you seen songhai bombard deck?)
Walls does’nt have much support also vespyer which got some support are still away from being playable.

So yea, vanar are the faction of removels, removels and ramp and how to you pressure magmar or bigger and better factions into the corner? By shifting their positioning and putting them on the clock.

Btw - there’s no such thing the most balanced deck, the deck fits your way of thinking and playstyle, for you it might be balance for others is kaleos backstab (which in my opinion is more balanced then faie just hard to pilot).

Btw - how do you counter kara’s global buff? Or sajj dmg? The fact that you recieve dmg is nothing.
I finish games with songhai with 16 dmg combo on average.
Magmar finish games with +6 dmg on avg.
If you play right -2 dmg as a bbs is not a deal breaker.

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#20

While this meta is very balanced, faie is very overtuned imo. She can pull off a ton of archetypes with more than moderate sucess. She is at the top of the meta still (Just because S rank players don’t play them doesn’t mean it isn’t good.). While it is somewhat true that arcanysts should be toned down a bit, circulus and vanar’s spells are what make arcanyst vanar so good. The expansion didn’t tone down faie a lot, and rather pushed up the other factions closer to her level. And Faie holds some of the strongest decks in the game for a reason, her BBS doesn’t need support to be good, nearly unavoidable 2 damage as a BBS is extremely good on its own, it doesn’t need support to shine.