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Total bullcrap!

#2

I can understand where you’re coming from, and sadly a lot of this is simply knowledge of mechanics or that comes from experience. Let me try to explain these three scenarios to you:

Minions with the ‘Structure’ type cannot move, attack or counter attack. This goes so far as to prevent them from gaining attack as a stat (with the card ‘Stones to Spears’ being the exception). You’ll note they still gain health when given +1/+1.

I’m assuming this happened while it was still building. Sadly, the building itself doesn’t do anything the card advertises aside from create the minion after the desgnated number of turns. For this reason, the building itself is not invulnerable. When it finishes, however, it is.

The answer to this one is easy. SENTINELS ARE STUPID. In all seriousness though, sentinels cannot be dispelled (and buildings cannot either), and they are token minions (buildings too). When they transform, they become a totally new minion and don’t carry over any effects applied to them prior to ‘transforming’.

Ultimately, I agree that this game needs serious work in clarifying its rules and defining these exceptions in a public place where it is easy to learn of it. I can’t agree about mechanics needing to be explained. Constraining your design space around cannon (even if fictional) is a great way to hamper your creative power and put yourself in a corner. Some games can do it, but that doesn’t make it a necessary inclusion.

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#4

If I may, I’d like to leave this with you: https://duelyst.gamepedia.com/Duelyst_Wiki

Although it has a lot that could be added, and it’s run by players (not devs), it’s still a valuable resource and helps understand these unusual events that can happen in game!

I’m sorry that these things can be counter-intuitive and frustrating, especially when you’re new to the game and just learning about them, but learning these things is part of what makes the game so interesting. I hope you’ll learn to look past things that don’t meet your expectations and instead learn to embrace the perks and quirks that make this game unique.

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#5

I also remember casting ritual banishing on moonlit basilysk and instead of destroying it BOOM it gains +3/+3 XD

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#6

For those who are wondering, this is one of the reasons why I said sentinels are stupid.

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#7

The wiki is nice but it still shows a total apathy on the part of the game devs to not include a proper rules codex.

How long would it actually take to import a mechanics codex into the game? Think about it, probably a couple of days at the most.

Anyways thanks for the wiki link.

PS: Just to add salt.
There is not even anything in the tutorial (solo challenges) that explains the search bar. I accidentally discovered that you can simply type “rare” to show rare cards or “5” to show ones that cost 5 energy etc to get out. I was watching a twitch stream and just happened to notice it after 2 weeks. Things like this that are a simple mechanic of the game should be featured in a basic game codex or even the solo challenges tutorial. /facepalm

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#8

Think that is the same for other games as well, such as Hearthstone. Where it doesn’t tell you how to use the search function for your collection/deck building. Unless you happen to have prior knowledge from other games, or looked it up.

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#9

Wait, is there ANY way or taking a Gate to the Undervault that’s already been built off the board???

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#10

The only one I know of is the boss that swaps minions with you when he dies. He WILL take all of your built Gates from you. Otherwise, nothing can effect them that I know of.

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#11

I agree with the opinion: The game’s documentation and consistency is sub-par for the genre, and that’s a big negative point for newcomers, especially CCG veterans.

I forgot how frustrating it was when I started, thanks for reminding us. This is also the reason I joined the wiki team.

The wiki is the only redeeming place, it should be acknowledged as such and linked in-game as there is no help anywhere else.

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#12

When i came back (this july, from december 2016 iirc) i had no idea what sentinels were. I met them for the first time playing spellhai and the opponent was a vanar. Turns out it was a basilisk, it was fun trying to remove it and swear vs interactions

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#13

Now you understand “discoverable ™” meme…

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#14

fooled you once, shame on devs. Fool you twice… :kissing_heart:

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#15

Yep, playing Lilithe vs untriggered spell sentinels is lots of fun! Ritual Banishing doesn’t destroy them but does of course destroy your own minion, and Daemonic Lure does move the sentinel but deals no damage to it. This is honestly the most embarassing “interaction” of the game, and it being unfixed forever singlehandedly almost caused me to take a long break from the game before the nerf to Mind-Cage Oni :stuck_out_tongue:

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#16

All of these are down to understanding how the game works, these are easy to understand if you have played other card games or hard if you’re completely new.

The only interactions that don’t make sense are Decptibot and some sentinel interactions, like Ritual Banishing + Basilysk or Lavaslasher + Minion Sentinels, all other unintentinal interactions have been changed.

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#17

Oh yes, I remember how I thought I would kill that Sentinel with a 1-damage Lure to pull it over and a quick General headbutt.
It was a Moonlit Basilisk. “I immediately regret this decision” :smiley: :smiley:

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#18

hey dude I get you , personally I had fun finding stuff out on my own and you can ask anything here.
They’re all very helpful.

It’s a very good point though a rule book would help new players it’s a a great idea :slight_smile:
And more of the solo challenges to really showcase/ explain the more complex reactions.

Hope you didn’t get put off though :slight_smile:

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#19

,Sadly, the building itself doesn’t do anything the card advertises aside from create the minion after the desgnated number of turns. ,

,sadly, , Realy?As weak abyssian is making gate already invincible while its build would be very broken

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#20

Woah woah woah, don’t get me wrong. I’m not advocating to buff buildings, especially not in that manner. Of course that’d be super broken. I was referring specifically to how the misunderstanding led to him being let down, hence ‘sadly’.

When I wrote that statement, I had the image of the card in mind. The text ‘build (3)’ doesn’t make much sense, but the rest of the card can have some level of meaning pulled from it (although gate is not a good example of this). Nothing about build tells you you’re not getting the minion that is printed on the card. This is why I felt it necessary to point it out that they don’t do what they say while they are building.

I see where you misunderstood my meaning, but I really don’t want someone making me out to believe something so outrageous.

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#21

You are right that the devs could explain some stuff better but on the other hand it is also not to hard to figure most of it out.
I remember the first (and only) time I tried to dispel artifacts. You try stuff and learn from the experience. Not sure if that deserves this rant.
The codex is not useless. Just because you don’t care for lore other people do a lot. I am glad it is there it adds something important to the game’s background.

Edit: Dispel of course, not disenchant… :smiley: Thanks halcyon98!

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#22

Don’t you mean dispel? I remember my first time too; takes me back.

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