Good point. But Kara has to use it in the turn the minion is summoned, and has a power level that changes heavily on circumstance. Thus why I believe she is lower.
The Pigeonhole Pageant - Who has the most restrictive BBS?
Maehv is pidgeonholed because her bbs requires you to pack a lot of healing and she doesn’t have great removal tools, forcing the use of dispel/lure/Gnasher in every deck. Despite this, the recent buff made her powerful enough that you can get away with less of her staples.
Kara, Ilena, Cyphiron, Sajj, Ziran, Starhorn and Shidai are all ‘pidgeonholed’ in that you build decks around their bbs DESPITE it being universally useful (you don’t need a healing deck for healing to be useful, don’t need Decimus for drawing cards to be useful etc). This is because alternative generals (Reva, Vaath and Faie in particular) do everything better when it comes to a ‘regular’ deck, which means these generals are only used for specific purposes, making them ‘pidgeonholed’ (draw burn, healynar, Kara swarm, mantra etc).
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Guys, can we include cards that can permanently ‘modifying’ General’s BBS into equations?
No, because you have to play specific deck for those mods (Variax w/ DFC and Geomancer w/ Burn)
Fun Fact: If you have a group of 19 Duelyers (If that’s the correct word), you’re guaranteed that at least 2 of them share a BBS.
(I’m sorry, I just had to put the pigeonhole theorem into this thread)
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1- the correct term is "steve"
2- you are only guarenteed that if they dont change it via geomancer or variax
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Fixed it for ya
I agree mostly with @Oranos categories.
Agree with @whyb0t that alternative generals somewhat affects how specific decks are.
Roughly how things compare by category:
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Unconditional spammables
Faie & Vaath -
Minion Summons
Lilithe & Zirix, Reva, Ragnora
Less to more fragile minion.
Brome?? -
Affect own minions
Argeon: Can buff when you attack.
Kara: Not that good for a single minion. Think of an on-curve deck. Summoning a higher cost minion is usually better than a 1/1 buff on a cheaper minion. That is why Kara is “restricted” to more swarmy decks.
Kaleos: It is easier to use a buff than gaining something from moving, which usually require movement or positional stuff like backstab.
Ziran. Obviously hard to keep minions alive and rewards of BBS are only good enough with heal stuff. -
Affects enemy minions.
Cassyva: Can kill anywhere.
Ciphyron: Need to attack with something to kill.
Sajj: Need to attack with general to kill.
Ilena: Why am I trying to stun and not kill? -
Can be a disadvantage if poorly used.
Starhorn: Gives card to enemy.
Maehv: Costs health and a minion. -
What’s a Shidai?
I still don’t even remember what the BBS can do…
A shidai is a new type of cancer that was recently discovered. Very dangerous.
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Zirix, Maehv, and Shidai.
Zirix’s poop dervishes aren’t often that impactful and given the ring involved in their placement are also pretty unreliable unless paired with an obelisk deck.
Maehv isn’t restricted to playing a deathwatch/dying wish deck, but the synergy her bbs has with that playstyle overshadows other deck types for abyssian.
Spot on analysis for Shidai, I have nothing else to add onto it.
shidai puts blades in hands
also technically cassyva and ziran can effect BOTH players minions
also i would put brome as slightly above ragnora tier with BBS versatility. but if you are doing it by fragility then put it just below zirix
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I agree with your assessment of Maehv, even though I find that her BBS is amazing in many different Abyssian decks, just not as favourable.
HOWEVER, The rest cannot be considered pigeonholed. Yes, there are many decks made specifically around their BBS’s, but keep in mind. Ciphyron has no specific deck that his BBS is a key part of its mechanic, and Starhorn is used in Reliquarian decks and Mechmar. This is just because their BBS is so versatile it can be plopped into any deck and still serve a purpose. Yes, Decimus Spikes is a combo that could be dangerous, but if you bring into the equation other Generals like Kara, she has many strong decks at the moment, like walls and ARCANYST VANAR, which is stage 4 cancer.
Anyway, what I wanna say is: just because a deck is made specifically around a general’s BBS, doesn’t mean that BBS is pigeonholed. Yes, I see your point about them being “pigeonholed” since those decks are the strong ones atm, but look at Faie. BBS Faie is a thing now, but she CANNOT be considered “pigeonholed”.
I already commented on why I consider them pidgeonholed despite their bbs being universally useful. If you’d read my post, you’d see I said you don’t need a specific deck for them unless you want to be competitive, since other generals outclass them at every turn when it comes to that aspect.
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