If it takes you two months to realise that Lavaslasher and MDG are busted then you shouldn’t be part of a balance team imo. Those cards shouldn’t have been released in the first place and if they slip through they should have been changed a week or two after release. I know that CPG is a small company and doesn’t have a huge team to test things, but they have a community to test if they want to. They can make a quick change, hear the community feedback and depending on it, change again a week later. Several small steps to balance a card with community feedback involved would yield far better results than just silently testing for 3 months only to end up with a card less in the game because it got nerfed into oblivion. And if you look back at this games history, how many cards have been nerfed and are still played today? The problem aren’t time or personal constraints here, the problem is that CPG thinks they know everything better when they don’t.
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Luckily we know everything better 
Oh I read everything don’t worry. And while I understand your argument and may agree with parts of it, I still find the last sentence hilarious and that was all I wanted to say 
Because in general I am pretty tired of these discussions.
You make it sound as if you are competent in the amount of effort that goes into editing a single card, let alone how that single card will affect all other cards.
You also state several changes for a single card and if the change is still not widely accepted it would be changed again. In a perfect world with infinite time and where it was possible to please everyone this would be amazing but we don’t live there yet.
All i am saying is stop simplifying things you do not understand.
It also wouldn’t look that good for the devs if they changed cards all the time.
What other company does it? I want recent examples of this occurring as well since we are speaking of recent CPG.
What cards did CPG constantly tweak in the past until it was widely accepted as perfect?
Oh and by the way this was also when CPG had less on their plate.
But i am humbly awaiting your examples.
You seem to be implying that the balance team is being overworked with designing the new cards, making art for the new cards, setting up in-game systems for the new cards, communicating with the community about new cards, setting up tournaments and doing the laundry while they’re at it.
The balance team afaik consists of 3 members and a lead, of which only the lead actually has any non-balance designation. So play-testing and balance improvement is pretty much the entire workload of those people. You’re calling the other guy out on his inability to understand things, yet your own knowledge of this particular situation is hazy at best.
Then we move on to the situation of if whether or not they have already decided if our current card pool is balanced for the time being. But I guess that is the answer you would all hate isn’t it.
Clearly the balance team are happy without making changes, since it means they can sip their drink and spend time doing other more important things -
One of the balance team members is a part-time employee who does research in his main job, so he’s not going to have any problems calling the cards balanced if it allows him more time to do his primary job and earning more.
Another is doing a PhD on how players in a game respond to frustration, so his data is only enhanced by not making necessary balance changes.
The newest member of the team is a 17 year old, who can have great ideas, but is highly unlikely to get his voice heard moving up through the hierarchy.
So, yeah, our current card pool is balanced for the time being. Because it suits my narrative, clearly.
I know exactly what you mean, I’ve not even been playing this season, waiting for the faie nerfs.
@ZyX That’s good to know. I hope things will change sooner rather than later, though.
Lame comparison.
THIS IS NOT A CAR, IT’S A FUCKIN ONLINE CARD GAME.
And you didn’t pay for it, or at least you didn’t have to.
Give us a break or take one.
If you don’t like what i have to say then stop reading my posts. If you expect me to stop posting just because you don’t like what i have to say you are gravely mistaken.
@ZyX Thanks for the insight, didn’t even know this. It all makes a lot more sense now.
Still, the balancing was quite solid before Ancient Bonds. I wonder if anything has changed in the meanwhile…
All this hate… it’s really sad to see the community gnawing each other in two.
As if Duelyst wasn’t a game but the most important thing of mankind.
This is a disingenuous statement, it’s almost like I can’t criticize a game because somewhere in Africa a child is starving.
The way how it’s done is what’s wrong about it.
Please keep personal attacks out of the thread or it will be locked. Thank you.
I totally agree with you. People do not understand that the problem we have does not lie with the fact that they perceive the game as unbalanced. The problem we have is that instead of having mature discussions they jump to assume the balance team is lazy and just sitting down at home scratching.
The problem with this stupid argument is that just because you know someone’s professions does not mean you know their priorities and other events in life.
Everything you are stating zyx are ur assumptions and they are not facts. You do not know for 100% certainty that they are neglecting the game for their own personal gains. Then finally you are assuming that CPG does not take all balance suggestions of the already small balance team equally by stating that the 17 year old basically has no say in the matter. What did they hire him for? To rub their bellies?
CPG is a business at the end of the day and a business has employees. Do you really think that the employees of the other departments would simply allow the balancing team to slack off and be essentially hurting the game? I’m still waiting for you to make a solid argument zyx cause so far all you have done is place stigmas on people who you do not know.
They’re assumptions, not facts. Fair point. But so are your so-called ‘points’.
And I’m the one making ‘stupid arguments’, and ‘placing stigmas on people I do not know’. I simply responded in language you seem to wield, and therefore would understand clearly.
Just as a note - I’m the same person who made posts such as these:
I have no vested interest in speaking against CPG after being really quite strongly involved with the game over 2 years - including times where people actually accused me of being paid by CPG to write and post about things in a very favourable light towards them! I speak simply because I still genuinely believe that Duelyst has the potential to be more, bigger, better - multiple things are stopping this from happening, on the non-balance end we look at how the Rift introduction was managed, how 2-draw went to 1-draw with very little beta-testing, how Shim’zar was introduced and so on. We can’t go back and change what was handled badly, but there is something that can be changed to at least guarantee a better playing environment.
Now it seems to be the case that you say the game is balanced - but really, what you’re saying, is that you don’t care about any changes, and you want others also to not care about any changes. Those are two different things - you are welcome to not post about keeping the status quo, we are obliged to post because a lot of us think there is something to be gained from CPG listening to us.
Now for my vitriol against one member of the current balance team - there’s a decent backstory to this that there is no reason for you to have known about - but simply put, one of the balance team members thought it was fit to say that I should never be employed by CPG after I suggested a change to a card, on a public forum. That exact change was implemented 2 weeks later - now I am completely sure that the change had nothing to do with my suggestion, however the incident showed the first signs of someone who was just there for the ride, and wasn’t critically analysing the card set. Further examples over the months have only served to strengthen the conviction that this member is just 'yesman’ning his way through. (I’m still happy to be proven wrong by that person, and I will submit an apology if that is the case.) I don’t have to reiterate current public opinion on Joseki, again, I’m very happy to rescind my comments given evidence to the contrary.
Unfortunately, my opinions have been formed over a year of observing the fiasco. This is also why I don’t offer actual changes to cards - since that incident, it is presumptuous to offer if at least a quarter of the team thinks that the provider is incompetent. You are giving the team the benefit of the doubt, I’m merely doing the opposite based on my experiences at large.