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Soo.. Smite Tactics.. did they copy Duelyst's gameplay?

#21

What I’m gathering from this thread and similar threads on the subreddit. People are afraid this will kill Duelyst. I don’t see that happening, but if it did. How would it? Better balance? Better payment model? If enough people move from Duelyst to Smite Tactics then ST did something better. Are we blaming the company that made a better product? Even then why would we be mad at that? Oh, damn we got a better game. This is pure fanboyism. As a consumer competition is always a good thing.

And to people saying they are stealing. This stealing is done in all forms of content creation.

“The immature poet imitates; the mature poet plagiarizes.” —T. S. Eliot

If people shunned or made it illegal for Ernst Ludwig Kirchner to paint similar to Edvard Munch we would have never had the expressionism movement.
In gaming we call this genres. If Blizzard didn’t “steal” real time tactics play from Westwood’s Dune II then we wouldn’t have modern RTSs. The whole stealing thing is ridiculous unless they ripped art assets or something.

Here is how this is actually going to happen and why it’s amazing. Right now if you want to play a board based CCG then you have to play Duelyst. That means CP can set whatever price they want and make their product as terrible as they want, because you have no choice. Choice in products is nice. Not everyone like Lucky Charms is all I’m saying. If ST makes a great feature everyone likes then CP can say, “Wow that’s really neat. Let’s do that too.” Duelyst is better. ST has better balance. Then CP knows they need to shape up. Duelyst is better. ST makes their packs 50 cents then CP needs to match to compete. Duelyst is better. If ST does well it will only light a fire under CPs ass to make a better product. If Duelyst and Smite Tactics are neck and neck competition then this brings intrigue to the genre. If ST does bad then all the people who like the idea of ST, but not the implementation will likely try Duelyst. Monopolization is so bad that if CP and HiRez got together and decided on card prices and product quality creating an artificial monopoly that’s illegal in the US under the Antitrust Act. As a consumer Smite Tactics is the best thing that could happen to Duelyst outside a Reva nerf.

TLDR: Smite Tactics gives us choice. It’s not stealing that’s dumb. Competition only makes the products competing better. Brings intrigue to the genre. Nerf Reva.

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#22

Except for 1 thing.

I have my own personal taste, which so far has demonstrated to be quite outside the norm. I usually like niche games, oddball genres, small productions. If my taste in products is being swept away because others all like another product that’s quite sad for me.

I really would not care one iota if every DotA game in existence would immediately vanish. I really would not care if Hearthstone vanishes. I really would care if Duelyst vanishes. The VAST majority of opinions on this matter is reversed, so I am in the minority.

So the ‘fear’ does have a basis: We all really love a ‘niche’/smallish game, and if it’s being swept away because OTHERS like this new game more then we will be sad.

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#23

To everyone who thinks that Duelyst was the first card game to incorporate a board:

Scrolls did it before them. And so did Might & Magic - Duel of Champions. And probably a dozen other games that I have never heard of.

The same can be said about the General-centric gameplay. It’s just Hearthstone’s Heroes applied to a board.

The same is true for Gauntlet. Or crafting. Or the Mana-system. Or every other invidual feature of Duelyst.

Duelyst isn’t a good game because of what it does, but because of how it does it. The whole “they stole this”-discussion is moot because everybody steals from everybody else. That’s progress. In the end those who execute the best on those generally known ideas succeed.

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#24

That’s fair. Still can’t blame HiRez for making a game that the majority of people like more. And it’s certainly not stealing.
Regardless I still highly doubt that this is going to kill Duelyst or do anything, but bring more people to Duelyst. I believe CP will continue to make a game that enough people enjoy that it can profit. CP is a good company and Duelyst is a good game. Your lack of faith disturbs me. Good point though. To me it just seems unlikely.

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#25

<historical_intermission>
Back in 1991, some guy released a funny card game named (translation) Knightmare Chess that features cards (the game) to play with chess (the board), was a lot of fun :laughing:
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#26

Wow, looks funny to play.

Replace one of your opponent’s pieces (except a King or Queen) with one of his captured Pawns.
Play this card on your turn, instead of making a regular move.

As a 1400 chess elo player, i can confirm this is broken.

#27

Hi Rez make fun games. But far too often, their games are extremely similar to other ones and basically ride on the success of those who tried the concept before them. And no one can blame them for this.
But as @Aeruniel said, I think some of us, me included, are afraid this game stops being “niche”. I like niche games. Games that aren’t mainstream. So if this gendra, although I love it, becomes too mainstream I WILL enjoy it less.

#28

The game is still in alpha but they already have “pro players.” How does that work?

#29

Duelyst borrows from Hearthstone why do we care if game borrows from Duelyst? I hope the game is good

#30

Yeah talk out of your ass, Paladins did not copy Overwatch, and since when having 2 games of the same formula is a bad thing?, i play Paladins since before Overwatch

#31

They are the Smite Moba game pro players. Talking about that they would like a game in the same universe as their Smite game.

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#32

Not a bad thing in itself, I really like Paladins too, but in Duelyst’s case, Duelyst could be swept away by Smite Tactics. Unlikely, but possible.

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#33

Mostly the people that envy better graphics and don’t have the feel for pixel art but like the game outside of that.

#34

My lack of faith? I have not yet expressed my opinion on that matter at all (nor do I have one yet even), just pointing out a point for consideration.

@dewize That’s not exactly what I meant. I just meant that should that game be hugely successful and compete Duelyst away while I would still prefer Duelyst at that time then I would be sad, and I can understand people fearing that.

I myself am still hopeful Duelyst will grow, and I see evidence of that everywhere. That’s all. And that I do see the similarities between the games. Other than that I said nothing yet.

I don’t like Duelyst because it is niche, I just have a taste that often corresponds to a minority taste.

About Duelyst borrowing from Hearthstone I feel it borrows more from Age of Magic and its clones in terms of gameplay (also has a board with minions you place, although the placement is restricted and the combat is automatic).

#35

Misunderstanding, oh my, it’s my only weakness !
I get your point. I like Duelyst because it fits me too, but it being niche makes me like it even more. As long as it doesn’t die out because of that.

#36

If it’s Duelyst without all the RNG, then I’m all for it. Thanks for sharing!

#37

Yup I also understand that. It wasn’t what I said, but I think for about 1% of my like it’s also because it’s ‘niche’, that reason alone. Now that I think about it.

I do think that the consequences of it being ‘niche’ (I use ‘’ because I think it’s not thát niche actually) account for 9% of why I like it (consequences like: smallish community with as a result more recognition of individuals with as result more friendliness and maturity), and 90% just the game being my taste and the art etc.

And don’t worry about misunderstandings, they are what makes this world :slight_smile:

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#39

Doesn’t seem like a rip-off to me, though it’s possible they based it off Duelyst and were inspired by Hearthstones success. A card game played on a tiled board with heroes, that’s all they have in common, everything else is different or unknown.

  • This tactical form of gameplay has been done many times (ex. Heroes of might & magic).
  • Board based card games have been done before (ex. Scrolls).
  • A significant part of Duelyst is inspired by, based on, or ripped off from Hearthstone.
#40

I don’t know, I’d argue it’s pretty niche. To truly enjoy Duelist, you have to enjoy 3 things at minimum.

  1. Card Games

  2. Tactics based gameplay

  3. Pixel graphics.

You have to hit all 3. Miss even one, and chances are you’re not going to play or stick with Duelyst. That sounds fairly niche to me.

#41

What crime would that be?

You can’t even patent an idea. It has to be a specific expression of an idea.

Every game in existence borrows something from some previous game. Same with every other type of software. The “influences” in Duelyst from other games are clear and obvious, and there’s nothing wrong with them.

We don’t even really know what this game actually is yet. At least I don’t, all I have is a 2-minute trailer that conveys no meaningful information about gameplay.

We’ve had a developer from CPG come in here and post in a very classy way about this. Let’s try to follow his example.

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