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So... y ripper hax celerity?

#1

Basically topic.

I mean, I just came back in late july so it has probably been discussed before but…why in the hell Rag rippers got celerity?

Of all the other general summons they are by far the strongest.
Zirix and and lilithe got random positioning and they are both inferior in overall strength. Reva can target the spawn and the heartseeker is always threatening cause of the possible IF/KE but what makes ripper so superior are the incredible reach (we could argue ranged might be better here, but it lets you summon your minion farther), the fact that the turn after, with just 1 mana you could eat 10 damage AND the fact that you are always forced to kill the bastard twice since it has rebirth…

The reasoning behind BBS summon seem to be (roughly) a total of 4 stats and you get random summoning, if the summon got an ability and a targeted spawn it has a total of 2 stats…
Then we got ripper which has a total of 4 stats, then it has not 1 but 2 ability (celerity and rebirth) and it even can be targeted…I mean, either the devs consider celerity and rebirth combined FAR inferior to ranged, which is unlikely, or i dunno how ripper got into the game.

Flame ahead

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#2

From my understanding the reason was something like:
‘since 0/1 is so easy to kill there has to be payoff when they hatch’
Maybe I’m misrepresenting the reasoning, but as you say the fact that you have to respect each one as a possible 10 (or more) damage, and that the current top decks have ways that make clearing them much less trivial (wander stat buff & zoetic charm are what I’m thinking of here) I’m going to agree they missed the mark… by a lot.

Add to that the egg/hatch/rush interaction and yeah, Ripper is Bullshit.

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#3

nah, agee with you tbh. i think most people aren’t vocal about it because “positioning” and “board-based”.

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#4

Actual reason - it was going to have flying but the sprite art didn’t match with the keyword and they wanted something movement based so we ended up with celerity instead.

Naturally something like Prongbok would have been fine but that only came later into development.

So yea.

#5

Somebody just thought that the best way to make eggs good was to make a ridiculously OPed egg minion. And so, that is how Ripper came to be.

#6

Moving further didn’t start with Prongbok though. Incinera & Elyx have existed for long before that.

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#7

Sure, guess the idea just eluded them in testing but what’s new

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#8

No offense but in a game like this you just can’t judge one single card, BBS or egg or whatsoever in a sandbox. So:
What would Magmar be without the Ripper these days? (Not saying I’m happy with it - quite contrary!)

#9

Deci spikes starhorn is still alright
Smash vaath would also be fairly strong if kha would be fixed
The slow extinction event eggmars(its actually fairly strong) would also be fine if ripper would lose celerity but get something else for movement(like prongbok)

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#10

Smash Vaath is pretty medicore and Deci Spikes is NOT what a Magmar Player wants to play while the best alternative to Eggmar if you want to win at the moment.

#11

May I ask what do you mean by this sentence?

Speaking of rippers, I would probably leave celerity be, but nerf rippers to 2/1, 1/2 or even 1/1.

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#12

Thats a legit question. Considering theres a lot of egg support now i think ripper would be fine without celerity. 3/1 rebirth is still pretty good for 1 mana and i actually really hope that this nerf Will come Sooner or later

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#13

You feel that ripper without celerity would kill the faction suddenly? I’m not quite sure about that. 3/1 rebirth looks still quite solid to me

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#14

The Ripper Combo is fine, but I get why everybody hates it nowadays with the never-ending WandererRag and BuildRag bandwagons.

I’d go with Alplod’s idea of nerfing the Rippers to 2/1, if there has to be a nerf at all that is.

You guys just need to play Aggro Reva (not OWA/Artifact, just Aggro) or Aggro Kaleos, those are the most powerful decks atm, or at least the most effective Magmar counters as they kill any Mag deck way before they get to develop anything. This is coming from a Mag main before you ask.

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#15

Well, the discussion wasnt about the most powerful deck though, it was just about ripper itself

#16

Sure, let’s not judge Ripper alone and consider other cards as well. How about Greater Fortitude for a 2 mana 10 damage burst? Maybe you can also throw in a Primordial Gazer into the mix, and don’t forget to Lava Lance afterwards. Oh, and have you ever tried Thumping Wave?

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#17

Here i have to disagree, 10 damage for 6 mana and 2 cards (cause the bbs is not in your hand) is actually the most insane burst in the entire game for this amount of cards/mana. The problem imho is that celerity minion are really powerfull and a bbs that creates celerity dudes multiple times during a game is not good.

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#18

To be honest I always thought 1 mana +2/+2 buff is too damn powerful. Hai had +3/0 buff for 1 turn that cost 1 mana and it was nerfed to 2 mana. No other faction has that mana efficient buff.

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#19

Relax, it’s only natural for Magmar to have the most efficient of everything. :thonk:

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#20

not that I want to disagree about ripper combos being stupid (they are) but songhai can do 10 damage at 5 mana with saberspine seal + bangle :stuck_out_tongue:

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