I never said that you said that wanderer needs a nerf because it is t1 @atheistmantis I said that it doesnt need a nerf even if it is t1.
Making destiny TEMPORARY?!? That would undermine the total effect of destiny and it’s design. Also, strategos may not take that much skill to play, but that is just the design behind the card. Nerfing it farther WOULD kill it. Rn it is viable but not anywhere near op. It is barely out of being a niche and meme. This is like saying “nerf midrange vaath because it takes no skill to play” very unfair.
As for wanderer, just because it can come down consistently on t5 and occasionally on t2 when they highroll doesnt mean its too op. Its consistency is part of the card. While I agree the power levels of other mythrons are nowhere near wanderer, that just means they need a buff, not that wanderer needs a nerf. Also all of the changes suggested would just kill wanderer or strategos. Strategos will dies from any change, and wanderer is fine but not too strong, but your suggested changes are way too hard hitting. The MOST wanderer could deserve is a stat change. Thats it.
Ive said everything I really need to, and it feels like you dont adress my points but rather take two specific parts of my entire post and say “I never said this” or “no need to take this tone”
If you want me to keep taking you seriously and having my respect then you actually have to look over my opinions and respond.
In your last post you wrote a long message where you touched many points, among which there were things that didn’t need to be discussed either because I agree on them or because are considerations that didn’t require deeper discussion.
Also I don’t like when replies are written with an edgy or smart ass tone (I try to ignore those that do it deliberately), but I’ll come to that later, and that’s why I picked those points in that way.
I like to think that there has been some misunderstanding, so I’ll make it up here:
… Alright… I’m not a promoter of making the Destiny temporary, somebody brought it up if I remember correctly, and I said it that could be some kind of solution, but this is about the whole concept of Trial/Destiny, and it’s not what we’re talking about atm. Among all the possibilities making the effect temporary is not my favourite solution, for the record.
Niche perhaps, but far from meme, you can still encounter it in Ladder and it’s still a very threatening deck even after nerfing Zyx.
The parallelism you made with Vaath’s: in this case you made a comparison putting on the same level a complaint about a whole deck archetype with the effect of a single card (Strategos) and I don’t see the point.
Yeah it’s a highroll, as you say, to cast it t2, yet it’s a condition that happens incredibly often, it’s not a Grimes into Worldcore Golem thing, and brings the match-up to a very accented disparity, which is unfair. When you say “its consistency is part of the card” I don’t understand what means.
My idea is: nerf Strategos and Wanderer and leave the other mythrons as they are: on this philosophical issue we just have to disagree, but that’s why I made a pool about it.
Among the changes I proposed there’s also one you proposed yourself in the end of your reply (changing the stats). I think your judgement on my suggestions is a bit cut with an axe, as I proposed many things, and I can make you more example now:
requring the deck to run at least n° artifacts and n° spell
requiring to run at least 1 minion per all costs from 1 to 9 (at least a 5 mana one, a 6, a 3, etc)
having it cast in the exact centre of the board or in the edge of your own side
and so on…
There’s plenty of possibilities, mine are suggestions, but it’s alright if you just don’t like any of my ideas, your opinion is just radically different from mine.
I hope I answered more completely now, and let me say that the same goes to you: if you want my respect be polite when answering, don’t answer me like you need to school anybody, or like I said some kind of unspeakable wrong thing, you can have your opinion and argue with it calmly and without arrogance.
Peace .
Firstly, anyone who calls any duelyst deck braindead is either so good at the game that they are unquestionabley the best, stupid, or ignorant (I really doubt the first option is true for anyone, so take your pick of the others). as for people having no idea what they are talking about, I haven’t read through the entire thing as there are some large walls of text in there, but most people are not very good at duelyst so you always have to take what they say with a grain of salt, especially when it comes to balance.
Perhaps I should explain myself: I don’t think that Strategos Brome is a brain dead deck, i didn’t mean it that way, what I meant to say is that the condition for the Destiny seems too easy to achieve considering the very strong ability that allows you.
I used a strong term as brain dead which should have worked more as a figure of speech, but I see you picked it up among all the stuff that has been said, like a drop in the ocean, frankly giving it more importance than it needed, but that’s your choice.
There’s a lot of texts, it’s true, and nobody is required to go through the whole thing (for obvious reasons I did), but being judged by a single sentence is not correct either.
On the other hand though, since we are at it:
Just curious about it, what’s am? Fam without f, am like “I am”, something I miss, or a(theist)m(antis)?
What argument were you (and apparently @eurasianjay) tried to make?
I have something else to say but it’s relative to your answer…
@improbableblob -> “not really into explaining my position on this matter, but I just want to drop by and say that you all guys here don’t know crap about this game and most likely win due to OP cards. Also I think it’s fine to give harsh and cut-with-an-axe comment on players, after superficially reading what they say, and thinly veiled calling them ignorant or stupid, because I I’m pretty sure I’m smarter and I have all the rights to be a prick”.
huh, I typed out a reply to you, but it didn’t go through, nice to see that you are a kind person though.
as for you not knowing crap about this game, this is very likely to be the case, but you are likely winning due to your opponents being in similar situations rather than op cards.
The main reason that I am coming across as so harsh is that you are making nerf threads for cards that are strong, but are beatable if you build your deck correctly. However, I would ask for a nerf to wanderer if cpg are going to continue making conquest their main tournament format (this is not definately a bad choice) as then wanderer will be overly polarising.
Still waiting an explanation for this. This seems like a very smart ass attempt to make fun of me in a very subtle way… Because you’re also nice, and this is what nice people do, right?
You were typing a reply, but the last comment to this topic was 3 days ago and if we wait too long it closes, so I wanted to avoid that by addressing your behaviour, in an attempt to finally get your attention since you commented in a very self-righteous way.
You like to indulge in your self-righouseness, and you lie also because you said that rae and dreamshaper are broken (op and broken are pretty much the same, right?).
Well took awhile but at last you made the contribution on the actual topic, so thank you for this .
@loliconartist: I found this -> “Still waiting for someone to give me a custom title acknowledging how much of an a**hole active community member”. You’re doing your homework right, just do them somewhere else than my topic please.
If you’re going to contribute to this topic again, could you just write to argument something related to? Probably you were “touched” by something that maybe I said so you felt like showing support to something that doesn’t involve you to feel better, but now you’re getting to a point were you’re just being annoying.
my first comment was just meming with jay, as there is a stereotype of the people on the forums being bad at the game and tend to have no idea what they are talking about, which seemed to be in full effect with this thread.
as for the whole using op cards/opponents being bad, I would expect that you are winning far more due to other peoples mistakes than anything being overpowered
Your memeing with jay, done in the way you did, wasn’t nice nor welcomed here, and concerning this topic, just because it’s a nerf thread on which you disagree, you could have used the chance to contribute constructively from the beginning instead of self-righteously using your time defining me and a big slice of the community members ignorant from high upon your throne.
I might be wrong with the point of this topic, the future will tell, but surely I rather being not-that-good of player than behaving like an ass in forums.
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