If summoning a minion means make it appear on board no matter how, playing it, in terms of playing a minion card, would mean considering the summoning of the single minion, without counting those coming from its effect. This would make stuff like Jax and Zyx useless, but would allow two things: first makes the general to concentrate on casting cheap minions as quick as possible with more reasoned positioning and choice, focusing on quick card draw, and second making the rampage more controlled and less snowball. This could go along with a rework on the amount of minion cast, decreasing it, as now it’s high because are allowed cards like Jax that do half of the job in one turn, allowing to put many snowball threats on board at the same time.
Poll+discussion: Wanderer and Strategos nerf
But that was kind of my point. If those minions summoned by effects don’t progress the Trial, there’s no incentive in playing them at all. Also, I don’t understand what you mean when you said such a change will make players focus on positioning, because I don’t see a particular correlation.
I stand corrected; even if such a nerf was made, the general deck structure of Strategos would not change very drastically. Jaxi and Jax Truesight will be taken out, and that would be it. However, that change alone will have a profound impact, and Strategos decks, the only top-tier Lyonar deck at the moment, will vanish from the meta for sure.
The positioning is just a detail of what I said, so don’t take it as the core of my argument, in the bigger picture the point is to not encourage summoning for it’s quantity value thanks to stuff like Zyx/Jax, but make players play decks with more single unit value like Shiro and the golems, or Rock Pulverizer, Vale Hunter, Mana Forger, Azure Horn, making each of those minion count by their specific singular value. This would slow down the process but along with a decrease on the minions required to be played the deck would still be Viable.
EDIT after your second post: maybe Strategos should be meant to reinforce the regular swarm archetype. I add to this, that another solution could be to allow the minions to be cast to have 1 or 2 attack instead of just 1. Don’t know man, whatever decrease the rampage-snowball factor basically 
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Maybe, but even conventional Swarm decks don’t run Rock Pulverizer or Vale Hunter, but cards like Zyx, Dreamgazer, Cleric, Celebrant, and the usual roster. Also, Truesight is already an absolute must for Strategos decks, and the whole archetype would crumble without it.
I personally love Strategos as a card. The Promote mechanic is just so creative, and the fact that it’s called a promotion and not just a transformation only makes it even more interesting. It would be quite the loss to see if the card gets nerfed yet again. 
If it had to be nerfed, I would change the Trial to something like this:
Summon 12 minions with 1 or less Attack, including three Crestfallen.
As Truesight usually come in around T3 or T4, Strategos will usually drop by at T5 or later. That isn’t enough time to play Brome’s BBS three times for three Crestfallen. Such a change will force Strategos decks to diversify their options into cards like Cryptographer, Mentor, and most particularly, Legion. Overall, the deck will decrease in consistency, but will still retain its fundamentals.
This is also a good possible solution, would slow the trial conditioning it to the summoning of some specific cards.
Surely making Truesight not useful for Strategos would be a big hit, but I think we can agree that with the right changes, the Trial conditions can still be met and the archetype can still live and prosper. I don’t think is right that Truesight gives such a buff to the Trial/deck and even gets promoted to stuff like Peacekeeper, it’s insane to me…
Btw I’m also a fan of the Promote element, I think is an interesting use of terms in the game and I wish to see more!
can confirm, am boosted by rae and dreamshaper being broken 
I never said that you said that wanderer needs a nerf because it is t1 @atheistmantis I said that it doesnt need a nerf even if it is t1.
Making destiny TEMPORARY?!? That would undermine the total effect of destiny and it’s design. Also, strategos may not take that much skill to play, but that is just the design behind the card. Nerfing it farther WOULD kill it. Rn it is viable but not anywhere near op. It is barely out of being a niche and meme. This is like saying “nerf midrange vaath because it takes no skill to play” very unfair.
As for wanderer, just because it can come down consistently on t5 and occasionally on t2 when they highroll doesnt mean its too op. Its consistency is part of the card. While I agree the power levels of other mythrons are nowhere near wanderer, that just means they need a buff, not that wanderer needs a nerf. Also all of the changes suggested would just kill wanderer or strategos. Strategos will dies from any change, and wanderer is fine but not too strong, but your suggested changes are way too hard hitting. The MOST wanderer could deserve is a stat change. Thats it.
Ive said everything I really need to, and it feels like you dont adress my points but rather take two specific parts of my entire post and say “I never said this” or “no need to take this tone”
If you want me to keep taking you seriously and having my respect then you actually have to look over my opinions and respond.
In your last post you wrote a long message where you touched many points, among which there were things that didn’t need to be discussed either because I agree on them or because are considerations that didn’t require deeper discussion.
Also I don’t like when replies are written with an edgy or smart ass tone (I try to ignore those that do it deliberately), but I’ll come to that later, and that’s why I picked those points in that way.
I like to think that there has been some misunderstanding, so I’ll make it up here:
… Alright… I’m not a promoter of making the Destiny temporary, somebody brought it up if I remember correctly, and I said it that could be some kind of solution, but this is about the whole concept of Trial/Destiny, and it’s not what we’re talking about atm. Among all the possibilities making the effect temporary is not my favourite solution, for the record.
Niche perhaps, but far from meme, you can still encounter it in Ladder and it’s still a very threatening deck even after nerfing Zyx.
The parallelism you made with Vaath’s: in this case you made a comparison putting on the same level a complaint about a whole deck archetype with the effect of a single card (Strategos) and I don’t see the point.
Yeah it’s a highroll, as you say, to cast it t2, yet it’s a condition that happens incredibly often, it’s not a Grimes into Worldcore Golem thing, and brings the match-up to a very accented disparity, which is unfair. When you say “its consistency is part of the card” I don’t understand what means.
My idea is: nerf Strategos and Wanderer and leave the other mythrons as they are: on this philosophical issue we just have to disagree, but that’s why I made a pool about it.
Among the changes I proposed there’s also one you proposed yourself in the end of your reply (changing the stats). I think your judgement on my suggestions is a bit cut with an axe, as I proposed many things, and I can make you more example now:
- requring the deck to run at least n° artifacts and n° spell
- requiring to run at least 1 minion per all costs from 1 to 9 (at least a 5 mana one, a 6, a 3, etc)
- having it cast in the exact centre of the board or in the edge of your own side
- and so on…
There’s plenty of possibilities, mine are suggestions, but it’s alright if you just don’t like any of my ideas, your opinion is just radically different from mine.
I hope I answered more completely now, and let me say that the same goes to you: if you want my respect be polite when answering, don’t answer me like you need to school anybody, or like I said some kind of unspeakable wrong thing, you can have your opinion and argue with it calmly and without arrogance.
Peace 
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I mentioned Dreamshaper earlier with kirabi but i’m missing the point of your post 
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I was just agreeing with jay that most/all of the people in here are boosted and have no idea what they are talking about
Am I one of those? But even in general, would you mind telling me why these people have no idea of what they talk about?
Firstly, anyone who calls any duelyst deck braindead is either so good at the game that they are unquestionabley the best, stupid, or ignorant (I really doubt the first option is true for anyone, so take your pick of the others). as for people having no idea what they are talking about, I haven’t read through the entire thing as there are some large walls of text in there, but most people are not very good at duelyst so you always have to take what they say with a grain of salt, especially when it comes to balance.
Ok, I get it:
Perhaps I should explain myself: I don’t think that Strategos Brome is a brain dead deck, i didn’t mean it that way, what I meant to say is that the condition for the Destiny seems too easy to achieve considering the very strong ability that allows you.
I used a strong term as brain dead which should have worked more as a figure of speech, but I see you picked it up among all the stuff that has been said, like a drop in the ocean, frankly giving it more importance than it needed, but that’s your choice.
There’s a lot of texts, it’s true, and nobody is required to go through the whole thing (for obvious reasons I did), but being judged by a single sentence is not correct either.
On the other hand though, since we are at it:
Just curious about it, what’s am? Fam without f, am like “I am”, something I miss, or a(theist)m(antis)?
What argument were you (and apparently @eurasianjay) tried to make?
I have something else to say but it’s relative to your answer…
Woosh
@improbableblob -> “not really into explaining my position on this matter, but I just want to drop by and say that you all guys here don’t know crap about this game and most likely win due to OP cards. Also I think it’s fine to give harsh and cut-with-an-axe comment on players, after superficially reading what they say, and thinly veiled calling them ignorant or stupid, because I I’m pretty sure I’m smarter and I have all the rights to be a prick”.
huh, I typed out a reply to you, but it didn’t go through, nice to see that you are a kind person though.
as for you not knowing crap about this game, this is very likely to be the case, but you are likely winning due to your opponents being in similar situations rather than op cards.
The main reason that I am coming across as so harsh is that you are making nerf threads for cards that are strong, but are beatable if you build your deck correctly. However, I would ask for a nerf to wanderer if cpg are going to continue making conquest their main tournament format (this is not definately a bad choice) as then wanderer will be overly polarising.
So are you.
Still waiting an explanation for this. This seems like a very smart ass attempt to make fun of me in a very subtle way… Because you’re also nice, and this is what nice people do, right?
You were typing a reply, but the last comment to this topic was 3 days ago and if we wait too long it closes, so I wanted to avoid that by addressing your behaviour, in an attempt to finally get your attention since you commented in a very self-righteous way.
You like to indulge in your self-righouseness, and you lie also because you said that rae and dreamshaper are broken (op and broken are pretty much the same, right?).
Well took awhile but at last you made the contribution on the actual topic, so thank you for this 
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Yes! No woosh this time!
nevermind
@loliconartist: I found this -> “Still waiting for someone to give me a custom title acknowledging how much of an a**hole active community member”. You’re doing your homework right, just do them somewhere else than my topic please.
If you’re going to contribute to this topic again, could you just write to argument something related to? Probably you were “touched” by something that maybe I said so you felt like showing support to something that doesn’t involve you to feel better, but now you’re getting to a point were you’re just being annoying.