Older Cards drawing from Newer Card Pools

[jukeboxery]

Sorry for the unclear title (and if this questions had already been answered) but I figured it would be an interesting question.

When thinking of a deck to make, I though of Quilbeast, and my thoughts turned to Khymera.

The questions is, have cards like Khymera had their card pools updated to include newer tokens? Are cards like Allomancer able to summon Lava Totems?
I say this because I’m aware of a few cards from older expansions which have had their card pools expanded to cover the newer ones, such as Autarch’s Gifts giving you UP artifacts.

Regardless if these questions have already been answered in full, I’m curios; do you think such cards should have their pools updated to contain all relevant cards from the newer expansions?

P.S. As has been pointed out, while it might be logical to make all cards that fit the criteria available to older cards, some things might be too broken, like Trygom Obelysk from an Allomancer. Thus, how would one tackle such a problem, were the card pools to be updated?

• Yes, older cards should have their pools updated
• No, older cards’ pools are fine as is

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[eternalshadow]

It would be much more intuitive for CPG to update this. However, there are specific cases where this would break the cards (e.g: allowmancer spawning that new 4drop obelisk which’s name I cant rememeber).

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[epicflygon]

I want to vote no soly because I want autarch’s gift at almost full power, flsbadman.

[jukeboxery]

That would be ‘Trygon Obelisk’ and yes, that brings up the dilemma which could lead to some confusion.

At face value, you’d expect all cards which fit the criteria to be possible. However, for balancing purposes, perhaps some cards should be excluded.
Hence why confusion could arise.

Double-edged sword really.

[jukeboxery]

I’ve read they updated Autarch’s card pool already, though I’m not certain. Same with Grincher, maybe.

[thematsjo]

I didn’t vote because I’m in favor of an ‘Other’ solution: old cards should get updated with new releases, but not indiscriminately. I believe spawn pools should be carefully tweaked by the devs, and the cards that can spawn should be listed in a tool tip for every card that does.

[thefirstgokun]

I’d say meme cards should be updated and solid cards should be kept the same or updated selectively. Cards with high variance already, like Grimes or Khymera, would not be affected too much by the addition of new Tribal or Token minions, but cards like Allomancer with efficient mana costs and low variance should be kept in that state.

[excogitator]

I think that the pools of older cards should be updated to do exactly what they say. On the other hand, I would change the descriptions of some so as to not be too overpowered.

For example, Allomancer can say “Dying wish: summon a non-pyramidal obelysk.” To make it more quirky while still being consistent.

[jukeboxery]

Perhaps Allomancer should summon an obelysk that costs 3 or less, then?

[excogitator]

But that wouldn’t be nearly as fun

[longshot405]

I believe all cards that can pull random other cards should have access to ALL cards that apply. To make it anything less is to betray your players, especially if this interaction’s limited pool is not made 100% transparent.

If new cards being added to the game create a problem, then individual card balance should be changed. For example, if the average cost or strength of obelysks goes up, Allomancer should be nerfed to compensate. They should not, however, deny these effects the right to grab cards that meet the criteria just because that card is too strong.

[jukeboxery]

Does this mean you would be against such a change as to make Allomancer pull only 3 or lower cost obelysks?
Card text wouldn’t betray the user in this case.

[longshot405]

No actually. I was tempted to edit my post to include your ideas but I was lazy. Your suggestion is another, and very innovative, way to balance Allomancer.

[wanderinger]

Does this mean you would be against such a change as to make Allomancer pull only 3 or lower cost obelysks?

Card text wouldn’t betray the user in this case.

I think this is as reasonable a suggestion as any. If counterplay plans on making cards exceptions to rules, they should at least make it obvious to the player. This is maybe the only major misstep I have ever come across in the game, I mean fundamentally. People can argue about broken this and OP that, but when a card doesn’t do something that it should according to the text on the card…that’s not good. Especially when other cards with similarly-worded descriptions do perform as expected.

It’s not the worst thing ever, I still love this game, I’m not going to threaten to quit…but these types of things, where competition is concerned, should be clearly defined.