Need feedback! Generation 4 songhai

[mokutobunshi]

Need feedback. on this. the reason the mid early cards are very jumbled is because I don’t own all copies of what I want, and this is still and OK indicator of what this deck can have:

How the deck works:
You spend early game trying to get in some damage and backstab, late game is all about burst payoff. and if nothing else you wind up able to kite similar to fae. It can be pretty good against current meta with battlepando+death strike. (not in here yet)
Late game you get one of the 2 geo mancers and a meltdown and hopefully a sanguinar along with maybe a whip lash. Good thing about being ranged and changing BBS with kaleeos is they expect and prepare for close backstab encounters, then dont get any. The damage with a meltdown and just you BBS is a good amount, theres even a chance it will hit the enemy general. especially if your clear did its job earlier. in the early game mogwai + bbs before geomancer is also an okay combo I guess but that brings mt to my question, is he any better than sojourner here? Also, what can I replace to make this deck better?

What am I missing and what can I add? Maybe some good combos?

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[oranos]

ok, looks like a budget list

coming from my long experience of never playing songhai i say that since you are playing a bunch of blood surge minions, you should try to get cryptographer as soon as possible.

then you need to swap out some of the 1x minions with 2x and 3x minions. mogwai for example you can just turn into another sojourner when you get it.

then you can remove xho for either another battle panddo or ki beholder or even a lightbender.

deathstrike seal is good when combod with battle panddo as its a full board clear.

im suprised you dont have killing edge since its basically auto include in all songhai decks

and you could probably add in some extra juxtapositions or mist dragon seals to actually use katara without BBS up.

since this deck doesnt have a lot of sturdy minions and that they are mostly used for their effects rather than their bodies, i would swap out primus fist for healing mystic since the center pieces of your deck are late game cards

[seraphicreaper]

Your deck lacks consistently. Rule of thumb (not set in stone):

x3 of a card if it’s core to your deck theme
x2 of a card if it’s a conditional card (example buffing cards, combo cards; generally cards that may rely on other ones)
x1 of a card if it’s used as a finisher or tech’ing (teching: a card used to combat against a very specific situation. Crossbones for Mechazor as an example.), Even with this, I personally still look to do x2 of.

Changes I’d recommend:

Remove:
-Xho
-Mog’wai
-Lightbender
-Saberspine Seal

Add:
+Pheonix Fires x3 (Saberspine is identical to PF, except Saberspine requires a body, PF doesn’t)
+Sojourner x1 (Total 3. Mogwai’s stats aren’t good enough and fills up potential replacements. Keeping it to just sojourners will help with replaces in game, while still keeping card draw potential in your deck.)

Add or consider removing or alternatives:

1. Juxtaposition: Having only 1 isn’t helpful or consistent enough. Add a 2nd or otherwise consider removing this.
2. Onyx Bear Seal: Same, but 1 is ok. Look to have more if you want what OBS offers.
3. Battle Panddo: Could be utilized as a tech; I think this decision is more based upon your deck knowledge and judgment.
4. Widowmakers: I don’t know how often you’re needing Ki Beholder’s, but I recommend at least keeping Widowmaker in consideration. It serves very well due to it’s 3 hp threshold for common things such as: Lyonar’s Tempest or Vetruvian’s Curse thing. Where Ki Beholders would die against these, Widowmaker still survives and thus requires a stronger answer from the opponent.

[bublublub]

Add in a few more one-offs and you get a Reno deck. Seems like you’re a few meta ahead of us

[mokutobunshi]

I am aware that it lacks consitency, I just dont HAVE 2X of some cards XD

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[mokutobunshi]

I dont quite understand what you mean.

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[seraphicreaper]

I am aware that it lacks consitency, I just dont HAVE 2X of some cards XD

I figured that. At the moment it is probably best then to avoid most of your 1 of’s until you can craft more, sticking to cards you have 2 or 3 of.

Due to your curve, you may be able to just do without a 3rd sojourner and just remove mog, and I still highly recommend replacing saberspine seals with PFs.

[mokutobunshi]

I was there when the saberspines got nerfed, but your VERY right… why the heck am I using those when PF is the same thing… My thought was only: Add something that your be okay with drawing if you only have 1 card left (I think you guys call that top decking) and I though saber seals instead of killing edges… but now come to think of it they do the same thing AND are ranged… only benefit to a saber seal is you COULD use it with celerity… and I am not using celertiy in this deck. Ill change that asap.

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[mokutobunshi]

I AM gonna change the ki beholders for widow makers, but the reason I liked the beholders is because they were pretty useful when the strategy changed to range mid game at keeping enemies at bay. What do you think? Gimmick not work it? (especially on other songhai) ?

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[seraphicreaper]

Ki Beholders are quite nice for sure, and I am not advising against them. Only presenting the benefits of what Widowmakers bring to a deck.

I think in my deck I ran both.

[mokutobunshi]

Both seems good, maybe 2 of each. Not sure if I will have the space though. Also my deck ideally could look something like this:

This is not how I want the early game to be setup up as much as it being VERY clear what I am doing for end game. Maybe I could add saber spine tigers for more minions.

The first draft of this I did have azure heralds instead of healing mystics, but again, I didn’t have space for the sojourners. (also mystics would be better for healing sojourners, but I don’t think of the mystics as efficient).

Thanks for helping me BTW, let me know what you think of this direction.

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[mokutobunshi]

I can melt my night watcher and make those heralds, but the fact that they cant heal any of my minions I am not sure.

Edit: I also have 2 storm kages that look a LOT like panda bears right about now :3 <_<

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[seraphicreaper]

Your Kataras and backstab is EXTREMELY minimal; having to utilize BBS and Cryptographers for your Blood Surge synergy AND trying to make katara work is highly unlikely. (Additionally, you have no Mist Dragon Seals and Inner Focuses, it’s fine, but this adds to difficulty in using backstab, which is why I would support removing katara)

I would say to remove the Kataras, and if you still want the crypto for the BBS synergy, go with Reva. This could add room for other cards as well.

[mokutobunshi]

Makes sense. But the purpose of this deck was to give kaleos a new gen deck. As it stands after the nerf its reva or bust. Personally I do like his BBS because it has massive utility. On top of that its meant to be changed for pheonix fire anyhow. … that being said as long as I can try to add some minions that arent purely casters early game I am all for it.

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[seraphicreaper]

But the purpose of this deck was to give kaleos a new gen deck.

If this is your thought process, consider in what manner his BBS specifically can be best and/or most consistently used for. Some thoughts:

-Keeping your general more centralized while BBS’ing ranged off to your backline
-Enemy displacements with Juxta (and/or Repulsor Beasts)
-Enemy general peeling with Zendo, BBS ahead, walk yourself backwards

You obviously want the deck to synergize (your 2nd deck design seems like a good direction), but you also want to bear in mind the pacing of your cards and the number of minions you’ll generally have on board at any given time, based upon how you attempt to play your deck.

[mokutobunshi]

I changed the deck. I have a cryyptographer x3 and herald X3 early, panda+death strike and ranged mid, and same late game it made for 39 cards so I added ONE inner focus tech.

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