Well I guess there is more to it than meets the eye…
Immortal Vanguard - Neutral Deceptibot
Easy example of a broken Opening Gambit rule:
- Primus Fist: Opening Gambit: Give a nearby friendly minion +2 Attack this turn.
Can be played without having a target to trigger Opening Gambit? Yes!
- Dagona: Opening Gambit: Devour ANY minion, anywhere.
Can be played without having a target to trigger Opening Gambit? No!
Textual indication of this difference: nowhere.
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That’s not exactly a good example. Yeah, Dagona is definitely an exception, since you can’t play him without having a target. But the failing here isn’t that an Opening Gambit isn’t triggering when it should, it’s that an Opening Gambit is resulting in a minion not being playable.
At least with Deceptibot’s case, the rules implications are pretty straightforward. Opening Gambits never trigger for a minion that enters play unless it was cast from the action bar. Since Deceptibot plainly states the minion is played from the deck, it natrually follows that it would not trigger its Opening Gambit effect if it has one.
Also, @whoshim, duelyst’s terminology never stated that a minion must be played from your hand to be considered ‘summoned.’ Every card that references actively putting a minion in play calls it ‘summoning.’ Even cards that put tokens into play, create a random minion, or replay a dead minion.
Yes, but Sirocco’s first summon means “not from hand summon,” and the second summon is “from hand only”. Two different definitions.
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Fair enough. Sirocco’s text should be updated to reflect that golems not played from the action bar are not counted towards the number of golems he creates.
I’m pretty sure Golems summoned by Keeper of the Vale still counts towards sirocco, so the only Golems it doesn’t track are sirocco’s Skyrock Golems
Edit: Nevermind, I tested in sandbox and Keeper golems do not trigger Sirocco
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what the actual fuck is that nonsense.
this game has some of the worst card text and interactions i’ve ever seen
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Well if that’s the case, I find the text fine as it is. It would take up too much space on the card to say ‘for each other golem you’ve summoned this game not summoned by Sirocco.’
It kinda makes sense anyhow. If you really expected the golems summoned by Sirocco to count towards your next Sirocco, you’ve nuts. That’d be an exponential growth of summoned golems and Sirocco would be way too strong.
“Discoverable interactions”
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non mechazor-based mech tech. nice. weird. but nice.
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heres a thought that someone with sandbox can test
maybe the emphasis is on the word “other” as in “not skyrock”
so if you summon 3 skyrock golems and a dreamshaper from hand then summon sirocco you would only get 1 skyrock from sirocco instead of 4.
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comboing pre-nerf chassis + this would have been a serious headache. I’m thankful for the nerfs.
Um where did you guess this fact from?
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It would be simple enough to just use two words.
They could use ‘deployed’ for things played from hand. Opening Gambits are triggered when cards are ‘deployed’.
They could use ‘summoned’ for things put on the board in a different way.
That way, when a card like this comes out and says ‘summon’ we all know that OGs are not triggered. It would also open design space for cards that could ‘deploy’ things from your deck (it would not work for Mech, because if Mech got summoned on your opponent’s turn, you would have to have the ability to place it, etc., but it could work for simple things like Blaze Hound).
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It’s not a good example of Opening Gambit triggering, which it was not intended as, either.
It is however a good example that shows that dev comments like the following are not really helpful:
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Which it wás intended as.
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Really?? I would not have guessed. Unclear.
Apparently not! I checked the sandbox and Keeper golems do not trigger Sirocco!
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By deck it doesn’t mean from your hand right?
A small relief.
Like, the size of the sort of tiered lunchbox they use for a single day when flower viewing in the Kamigata area.
OH BOY!!
Lyonmech and Abysstech just got some new friends to make… Not going to lie, this is bananas and rather dangerous with tempo…