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Ideas for artifact-backstab-hai

#1

Hello everyone, hope you guys are having a good end of the year.

First of all i would like to state that this post is for discussion and ideias theorycraft. Im not “exactly” complaining about anything, just would like to see others opnions.

So lets go,
I’ve built a artfact-stab-hai for this season, there are some good cards that make it work somehow. It’s a very fun deck, even when i lose sometimes, im aiming to get to diamong only with it, so test it’s potential.

But, there is a big problem that i usually have. When the enemy player notices what’s my deck about, it starts to hug the wall. Some does that from round 1, because they know i won’t be able to do anything against that. And as for the current “meta” ( i know the real meta only starts around diamond, but still there are some deck types that i see a lot more ) that is death for me because they play swarm/minions oriented deck.

So they stay there in their wall, and keep sending their minions until i die. I do have some other options to do damage apart from backstad, but my entire deck is build for backstab, so it loses tons of eficiency when that happens, and make the game entirely boring. Because i will have to be extremely lucky, to get the other combos for when i can’t backstab.

So i was thinking about a way to solve that " problem". As we know, there are almost always a way to do something in duelyst, to answer to almost any play, then i’m aiming for that.

My first ( and best/funny idea) till now is a card that allows me to stab from the opposite wall. It would require a good positioning, and even if i get to hit, the enemy will surely leave the wall, and put a body behind it and maybe block the spaces on the wall their general is standing, so i cannot back stab.

I could think of something to backstab from any angle for one turn, but this can be really op in some circunstances.

For last, an effect that moves the general somehow i get to be able to backstab.

Saying that again, im only showing my ideas, and im not saying songhai “NEEDS” that kind, it’s just a suggestion as the topic says so. Im looking forward to read your ideas and thoughts. =)

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#2

I can’t really stand 100% behind the following statement until you post the decklist, but it seems like if they are staying away from you then maybe you should do a hybrid of backstab and burn that way if they run away they can’t stop you from using things like crescent spear.

#3

There is also an option for artifact based ranged/backstab.

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#4

Curious, can you backstab someone at a distance with ranged artifacts?

#5

Nope. Backstab counts only from space directly behind.

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#6

Grandmaster Zendo helps.
But, that’s a 6 mana play & he’s a legendary.
Thunderhorn is another good option to get them to move.
I like cyclone mask & bangle artifact

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#7

If you are aiming for fun try twilight fox :grin:.
Random enemy includes minions and general. With a bit of luck you can get your target off the wall.

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#8

im not the forum guy so i dont know how to post the deck list but, main strategy: backstab , second : ranged poke + kite third : face with phoe fire tiger . I was considering crescent spear but it would take one artfact space, im usually with cyblone,shadow,bangle ( ranger,backstab,celerity). Being far away from the wall, but a minion behind is workable, and i think a hybrid deck wouldnt be good, plus it will take some fun out haha.

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#9

thats my deck haha, but the focus still in backstab.

#10

bangle & cyclone are already in. Zendo has such a high cost for what i would do, and still the enemy can put a body behind, so, solves one problema, and if i do not have a way to backstab in that slightly turn, zendo will probably get killed. Thunderhorn will be easily taken care of because i have nothing to support it.

#11

Wait, does that mean that your deck is one (wo)man army?

#12

I’ve tried fox, but, it is so much randomness, sometimes i got myself screwed with it. If it was changed to teleport only general the general with 4 mana, that would be good, but it would be op too, unless it’s for only one turn.

#13

not exactly because there are some very few minions, but only for their effect, not for a body to fight. So i think i can say yes.

#14

Try adding Repulsive beast

You can place the enemy wherever you want.
Of course, you will need to get close to minion to play it.

#15

I’m assuming you already have Juxtaposition in there, right? I still stand that it is the strongest card in Duelyst. It does so much for 0 mana.

Recombomulous can also be pretty fun. It’s random hoops get a lot more reliable if your opponent hugs the wall.

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#16

It’s powerful, but for an artifact backstab-hai deck it’s not the best since you don’t have many of your own minions to pull them away.

as for you @romdrake, I made a backstab deck myself here if you want to compare to what you have now (it shouldn’t be too different though). I’m thinking of teching in a geomancer or switching to reva so that there are options if the opponent wisens up and decides to hide their back.

P.S; @dru67, it’s Repulsor Beast not Repulsive Beast, you’ll hurt his feelings

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#17

Mask of shadow/obscuring blow should help you push more damage, maybe in combo with flicker/tracer but should not be the center of the deck. This is the cyclone-bangle-saberspine seal combo. Reality is that backstab is a weak ability, expetially if compare with ranged. Thats also why i was so sad when i see penumbraxx with build 2:(

#18

Lol, dam spellcheck!
I didn’t even realize that.
:joy:

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#19

I got to make the deck list, here it is what i use
deckLandscapeSonghai

phoe fire and thunderbomb to clear some high thread minions or general poke, spiral to finish off, and everything else is for backstab

#20

replying to excogitator: mmf is right why i dont have juxtaposition, only 9 minions…
replying to drud67: repulsor is in, very good for getting away and positioning for backstab.

mmf = yeah i’ve already took a look at your decklist, i added thunderbomb coz of it. i think your deck can support the changes you said, revan,geomancer, but mine cant, shidai’s bb is so great for me, i’ve won lots of plays because of her, so that would include geomancer too, can’t leave shidai’s bb.