Healyonar better with Argeon?

[terrarius]

I know that that archetype is kinda weak right now…but i wonder if argeon is better with healyonar?(lancers etc)
I find zir,s BB to be rarely usefull(most dies or cant trade efficient before it gets healed) while Argeons is almost always great
Lancers etc get mostly triggered by healing mystic,azure herald,etc if i play zir,futher enforcing the thought that her BB is inferior for healyonar compared to argeons

If that ends up true…what about zir beeing able to target herself with her BB(heal a minion for 3health OR heal a general for 2health)
It would make her BB actualy good
I know cp will never buff her…just curious what you think about that buff

[thedandygiraffe]

Well, you can have a viable Argeon deck with a few additional healing options… But I think that if you want to really base your deck on healyonar staples (sunforge lancer, sunriser etc.) you probably need Zir’an’s BBS’ flexibility - sure, 70% of the time you’ll be able to proc those effects with other minions or spells, but Zir’s BBS lets you keep the whole thing consistent and reliable. Healyonar is just so synergy-heavy, you really don’t want to be left without a cheap healing option on a crucial turn.

Having said that, yeah, Argeon’s BBS is probably objectively “better” (outside the context of those particular synergies). But considering the amount of healing Lyonar already has, allowing Zir’an’s BBS to heal the general would probably take things over the top.

If you have trouble using Zir’s BBS efficiently, try a bit higher curve - you should choose your minions based on their stickiness rather than expect Zir’an to work fine with a standard, 2-drop-heavy curve.

[terrarius]

The only synergyminion i have right now is lancer(bond zir mainly with lancers )
I would like to see your healyonar list…my old one without ironcliffes,dioltass and bonds didnt perform well

[whalewhiskers]

If you only want to use Sunforge Lancer than which general you use depends on you want to games to play out.

Argeon is more aggressive and will tend to use Sunforge Lancer’s buffs to pressure the opponent while using his BBS to allow Healing Mystics and Azure Heralds to trade effectively. His BBS is used to buff minion so that they trade up in the early game and apply more pressure in the late game.

Zir’an doesn’t trade minions on a 1 for 1 basis often. Rather she uses her high health minions to value trade and then heals them up to produce card advantage through combat. Zir’an will be more controlling by using Sunforge Lancer’s buffs to make trades that her minions couldn’t live through and then healing off chip damage from her minions.

As long as Sunforge Lancer is your only healing synergy card it won’t really matter what general you use. Between Sundrop Elixir, Healing Mystic, Azure Herald, Martyrdom, Scintilla, Holy Immolation, Trinity Oath, and CIrcle of Life you more than enough healing procs regardless of which BBS you prefer.

If however you want to play Lightchaser, Lucent Beam, Sun Riser, Sun Sister Sterope, Gold Vitriol, or Excelcius than you should use always use Zir’an as her BBS triggers those effects more reliably and more importantly makes it easier to double proc the effects.

Here is a casual Healyonar list I ran back when Rise of the Bloodborne first came out. It’s not tuned, competitive, or made for the current meta but it is something to look at if you need it.

Summary

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