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Furor Chakram - How strong is it?

#2

This card is a tricky one.
You need to have a board first, which is countered by any means these days.
And then you need to pop it assuming that your board is positioned well, most of the time - this is your whole turn.
Besides the fact that it buffs your attack only which means that your board will be close to nothing in the end of the turn no matter the dmg it dealt.
And on six mana other factions got a better options anyway.

Let me give you a tip - giving someone a taste of his own medicine when the dude can manipulate the card better then you will most of the time get you more frustrated.

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#3

Fair enough, but my issue is the “frenzy” in the card description, and that it has NO LIMITS as to the number of minions that receive this buff. Imagine having a good 5 wraithlings on the board at a given time. That’s at least 9 damage to everything in a vicinity. That’s insane. Actually, you know it’s fine, since Abyssian doesn’t have an infinite value generator, right? Oh wait. Bloodtide Priestess just makes it worse, cus its an infinite number of wraithlings you can produce, all 3/1, all with frenzy, and even if you can clear it on your next turn, just don’t expect to have a board.

#4

Could you post your laddering deck(s)? You can export them into the bagoum.com deckbuilder using the export button in the client to get an overview image. Seeing your decks can help us figure out what’s going wrong.

#5

Chakram is a nice burst card in Swarm decks similar to DFC and Grimwar with the slight difference that it’s not single target burst but more of an AOE. It does have the same flaws though. You need to have a significant board beforehand which is difficult enough, then you get to use that board once, and then your left with nothing and have to rebuild. Bloodtide Priestess is just horrible in this meta and Swarm itself is pretty much a cheese deck, if your opponent is unprepared/you have a god hand you win, if neither of those are the case, you lose. The card is certainly strong but imo it’s weaker than the other two and as long as it doesn’t find use in decks that are far higher on the viability scale than Hyperswarm and breaks them i don’t see a problem with it.

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#6

If you’re having a problem with Furor Chakram, consider playing one of the vast quantity of anti-swarm tech cards. The card is fundamentally broken, but is held back by a certain 4 mana 4/5.

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#7

Yep. Thunderhorn, Skorn, Spirit Harvester, Plasma Storm, Bone Swarm, Thunderbomb, Tempest, Rebuke, Frostburn, Ghost Lightning, Grasp of Agony and Makantor are some (and probably less than half) of the cards which can totally wreck swarm Lilithe. Just tech in some of those and with good positioning you’ll be fine most of the time.

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#8

Rule number one of to keep a swarm Abyssian board under control. If you let them have 5 wraithlings on board at 5 Mana, they could easily just kill you with their pre-existing options (double soulshatter pact for 27 damage if everything is range; soulshatter pact + deathfire crescendo for 25 damage if everything is in range). Furor chakram is not really the problem here.

But like everyone has said, there are so many ways to keep that board under control with AoE. Also, you’d be wise to clear their wraithlings with your minions if you’re not already doing that.

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#10

difficult to keep it on the board at times when it seems that swarm lilithes have a permanent ritual banishing in their action bar

#11

Most times I find myself having a problem of the rate at which they pump out those wraithlings, since all they need is 4 mana to get 4 wraithlings on the board, or even less. Granted, I see where you are going, but I really have few answers in terms of minions when it comes down to swarm lilithe, since I either play eggmar or drogon magmar, and honestly I don’t feel like pulling a slot out for T-horn, since most of the time they just ritual banish the guy right off the board anyway. Probably thanks to my god-awful mulligans for a while tbh. Whining aside, I do see where you are coming from, probably will invest in more than 2 rebukes now

#12

Despite what some people here said, you shouldn’t use Thunderhorn as your only AOE/Swarm answer unless your Vet and have no other choice. The obvious reason is exactly what you said, Thunderhorn takes a turn before he can do anything, plenty of time to just Lure/Banish it. If your Magmar you should rely on Flash Makantors/Plasmas/Rebukes to deal with Swarm.

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#14

Thanks for the suggestion :slight_smile:, do appreciate it, though it really depends on your draws, maybe things just aren’t working out for me :confused:

#15

Dragon Vaath tends to be the hard counter to swarm decks.

You should run plasma/rebuke/makantor and anytime you see Lilith you should Replace hard for those.

Chakram is good, but it’s one of the few good things Abyss for this xpac, and they suffered from heavy needs. They are not in the best spot right now.

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#16

If you are playing Magmar, you have so many AoEs that Swarm should not be a problem at all. Consider keeping them during mulligan or wildly replacing for one of them when you don’t find them. It should really be an easy matchup with Plasma Storm, Rebuke, Warbeast and the likes… but any faction can deal with Swarm, there is enough AoEs to kill those small bodies. Swarm Vetruvian is much harder to keep in check

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#17

Chakram is absurdly powerful - provided you can get on the board. Against most super-swarmy decks, if you can keep an even footing on the board for the first couple of turns they’ll start running out of gas and then Chakram is a dead draw because there’s nothing for it to boost.

As mentioned, AoE slaughters swarm decks, and dispels kill off the other half of their win cons (deathwatch minions). Tech in an extra couple of those and you’ll be good, speaking as a swarm player that keeps getting rolled by them. >_>

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#18

As someone who has played a fair bit of swarm against Magmar, you’ve got quite a few options to clear wraithlings; it’s just a case of putting them in your deck.

You already mentioned rebuke yourself, and a bunch of people said plasma storm/Makantor. You’ve also got diretide frenzy, which gets great value because wraithlings only have one attack, and iridium scale of you don’t want to play minions.

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#19

Definitely not meta defining, but it’s a great card. It’s a great way of giving Lilithe some AoE without replacing Soulshatter (if you think Furor is op let’s hope you never get matched against hyperswarm, you’ll change your mind).

Is it strong? Yes. But is it even strong enough to be staple? No. Just balanced :slight_smile:

Soulshatter does the same thing for 2 mana. Double Soulshatter is lethal, not to mention Grimwar or DFC. Try just… killing the Wraithlings my dude, this card is super useless without a board

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#20

I do get that, probably will have to run a third plasma storm so I can actually draw it in times of need. Really afraid of dying wish maehv as well, and since plasma storm does jack against their BBS, I normally opt for other board clear options like rebuke. Even though it barely does anything as well. Btw, good luck on the ladder

#21

oh crap, I didn’t think of diretide frenzy, might try that some day

#22

Soulshatter doesnt give minions frenzy, so I’m good with that. The only issue I find is that i can’t get to turn 3 as player 1 fast enough to stop them pulling out that chakram with a board, since everything I play either gets banished or transformed, and I’m left with my lone general. I run 2 Plasma Storms, and 3 Rebukes, but for some reason they hide from me when i need them most.

#23

Maybe it’s the rest of your deck; too many 2 of’s and your deck will seriously start to feel inconsistent in the draw/replace.

As @whyb0t said about the card, it’s nice, but any sense of it in being OP seems a stretch considering soulshatter pact gives the same sudden burst for 2 mana.