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Feedback from a new to Duelyst longtime T/CCG Player

#36

And here a bunch of people are telling you how that just isn’t true and based off your limited knowledge and experience you’re telling us we’re all wrong and putting your foot down. You’re not trying to learn or trying to get better, just trying to get something that beat you and you couldn’t outplay with you limited skill nerfed.

When I started I got beat into the GROUND by basic plays. Common cards that I’d see in other decks too(and no, I’m not saying rarity common, I mean ‘in most decks’ common). I had to learn to play around these things and ended up getting into gold in 40 wins. I wasn’t slamming these ‘broken’ openers that you complain about because slamming them down without your opponent having played a dispel yet is often a poor play - you bait out their dispel THEN hit them with your bombs. That isn’t random or luck - it’s outplaying an opponent. It’s okay to get outplayed, you just go back into the game with your new knowledge and get better. And ‘answer’ isn’t always ‘dispel or lose’, a common answer to the card most people complain about(Kron) it to just PUNCH it until it’s dead.

It really, really sounds like you need to just play chess. But be careful there - you can’t complain about the black rook being overpowered.

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#37

Please don’t flame at others and saying stuff like this:

People are just trying to help you. It might not be what you asked for but there is no need to be rude.

People ask for your deck because it is the one thing that you can adjust that affects your own randomness. If you struggle against something you normally try to adapt your deck to cope with it.

Of course there are times when your opponent gets a stronger opening. You might not get an answer instantly but fight until you do. People who fight positively will win more. Its not over until your health is zero.
Just because your opponent got lucky at the start doesn’t mean he/she will be lucky forever. Pray that your opponent starts getting bad draw :smiling_imp:
Sometimes running back is the best option. Make a turtle defense, build an army and make a comeback. Your opponent might just run out of gas.
You don’t always have to remove threats. You can put your own threats too.

Remember when you lose you got unlucky and if you win it is skill :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

#38

And you started with the personal attacks too, grats mate. Can you even consider for a moment that the game can be improved upon? Again with your assumed limited knowledge and limited skill bs : ok before I even try to reason any more with any of you, just answer me this : Is it possible or is it not possible in this game for a person more or equally skilled than his opponent to lose to his opponent the game due to not drawing answers?

#39

Personal attacks? You are unskilled. You’re new. I’m unskilled, too, in general, as I’m only a lowly Gold. You made mistakes and got punished for them and then complained that they were overpowered rather than admit you made those mistakes. That’s not a personal attack it’s a factual statement of what happened. I have been beyond civil and given you gigantic reasoning for my point of view - all of which has been met with ‘uh-uh, it’s too strong!’. I have blatantly told you that this game IS random and will reward some players more than another. In hundreds of games I’ve felt I’ve been beaten by luck alone…maybe 3 times. Variance behaves that way and with ANY amount of variance in the game it will happen. My entire point has been that much of the variance in this game can be played around and can be outplayed. I gave exact examples of how to counter the plays you listed as overpowered and how to play around them - but once more you simply said that it was too strong.

The game could absolutely be better. Every game could be improved upon. I have suggestions of my own - much like I’m sure everyone who has posted in this thread have some of their own. You’re equating my disagreement with your ideas as defending the game as perfect. I just think your ideas are shortsighted and actually offer no real suggestion outside of ‘this open was too strong and I lost, fix it. I don’t know how, but fix it.’

Let’s actually go back to your original questions to see how you want the game improved. You believe that nimbus is an auto-win, which is blatantly false. You also believed you needed to answer the obelysks immediately on turn 2, which is also simply not true. You then go on to say it is completely unable to be answered. A single 2 or 3 cost minion could stop the play. If you cannot get your hands on one and that’s a problem for your deck then it was a deck construction failure on your part. And your final point is to say you shouldn’t have to see any cards at 5 mana or less that win the game outright. Which is true - and the fact remains that no 5 mana play just wins the game outright.

And I’ll say again - it’s alright to fail. We all do. Even the best players have loses where they completely own up to the fact they misplayed or got outplayed. If you fail in how you react to a threat, or if you just fail before you even jump into the game and put out a shoddy deck that doesn’t work. The issue here is you’re demanding the game change to counteract your own failures. When the entire thread has told you the weaknesses to the cards you have issues with you refused to accept it - instead they’re too strong and must be changed. Just accept that you made a mistake in your play or deckbuilding, improve, go back at it and kick that nimbus ass.

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#40

I’d say the game accounts pretty well for the variance, just by having each season last a month. Even if you’re only playing to do all your quests, that’s up to 8 games a day. 240 games is absolutely enough for the randomness to even out. And duelyst lets you replace 1 card a turn, which is much better than any other ccg I can think of.

Randomness is a part of these games, so let’s get specific: how much randomness is too much for you? I can only speak for myself, but I think the amount of randomness is pretty good: it’s pretty much limited to card draw and token spawning.

Plus, lack of randomness kills games. I tried to play the yugioh 3ds game and decks are too consistent. It’s too easy to consistently get out the same monsters in the first few turns. Randomness means you have a new problem to solve every time, without which the game quickly becomes dull.

#41

So you still keep telling me if I have no answer to something its a problem of my deck. Yet, interestingly enough , I do have an answer in my deck, just not in my hand. Which is exactly what I have been trying to say about 5 times now, yet every time it gets ignored. I never said Nimbus or something else was OP. I said it promoted randomness since you need to have an answer in your HAND, NOT IN YOUR DECK, and you don’t draw your deck by turn three (really hope caps at least help you see and read this and thus stop make you stop bothering with my deck).

#42

Your deck is relevant because, not to sound condescending but, your hand pretty much always contains only cards from your deck. It’s less useful to say “luck” or “randomness” than it is to say “probability”. Deck building (and replacing) is how you manage that probability, so if you’re consistently finding yourself without answers in your hand, it’s likely a problem with your deck.

#43

I have a similar issue. Today I played a card but then he played another card and I didn’t have a card to counter his card so I lost. Can someone please fix this game???

#44

Yes my hand contains cards from my deck, yet as I have about four times said now not ALL cards from my deck. Thus if an opening requires me to have certain cards in MY HAND it promotes randomness since even if i have them in my deck, there is no way to ensure I have them in my Hand, and yet when I don’t - I lose , but when I do - I don’t win but I just handle it and get in an even situation. That doesn’t seem fair, logical, and it makes no sense to ME, thus I give my feedback.

#45

Then I don’t really know what you want. Solving problems with the tools you have is half the game. The other half is setting up problems your opponent can’t solve.

#46

Well I guess SOME intelligence is required to grasp my line of thought. I want openings that win unless your opponent has specific cards in his hand changed so that they can be handled without a PERFECT answer in your hand. If that is too hard for you to grasp I can’t really clarify it any more.

#47

It’s not too hard to grasp, you’re just wrong. I don’t even know your faction - but repulsor beast, lightbender, and shroud all stop it. Neutral cards. Not to mention we’ve all told you that you could have had an opening of your own that - you know - had minions that you played that do things.

And yes, my first deck DID have all three of those in it, along with other answers. The entire idea of needing ‘perfect’ answers is just silly and you’re grasping at straws.

#48

And this thread of people telling you there ARE answers. Finding those answers is half the game. I’d say anything that isn’t an otk can be answered. I don’t want to tell you to git gud, but git gud.

#49

Lol, I only started playing this because of the pixel art

I think this game shines when you get some friends and you pit custom decks against each other. Otherwise you’re just facing the same effing decks over and over in Ladder. Gauntlet is nice because it’s random, keeps your brain juices working.

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#50

For the last time cause i am really tired of this : there are answers,>>>>> but if you do not draw them you lose to some openings<<<<<<, please if you do post again try to address this part of my post because all of you seem to have completely missed it about five times now.

#51

I’ve addressed it multiple times: deck building, replacement, positioning, let’s throw in card advantage. No, you won’t have an answer 100% of the time, but that’s the game. If it bothers you that much, play 4-5 games per session. It makes the worst losses stick out more. Or just stick to the ai.

#52

We haven’t missed a thing, you’re ignoring our answers. I don’t know what faction you’re even playing, but I just listed THREE different answers that are common to exist in the SAME deck. You don’t need an EXACT card. Hell, you could just IGNORE the nimbus and play something that’s generally GOOD and try to race the nimbus damage output because nimbus is a slow win condition.

You have completely ignored anything that goes against your conclusion that you came to yourself. You have vastly smaller knowledge of the game compared to the posters here and when given advice you refuse to take it and want the entire game to change because you can’t learn how to play around and deal with threats.

And before you go on ANOTHER tangent about ‘but what if I don’t have that card in my hand’: If you are playing cards in your deck that don’t do anything your deck IS bad. You run answers and you run threats. If they play a threat you can’t answer you just play a threat to match theirs. If your cards in your deck don’t do either of those things they effectively don’t do ANYTHING and your deck is lacking.

#53

But of course you have not, you are all PERFECT, you can not miss anything, nor make a mistake, your opinion is always true, everyone else’s is always false. You don’t even need arguments to prove it, just stating that I lack sufficient game knowledge without any proof is enough. Of course you might sometimes on purpose choose to ignore half of a post, actually you might even do that with each of mine, but hey, what does it matter you are never wrong anyways and everyone has to run answers to everything in his deck and draw them all by turn 3 or he is just not as skilled and competent as you lot. (or at least run equal treats, like 0/12 that summons two 2/2 each turn, or if you don’t have that you can back out but AT THE SAME TIME contest the mana tiles so the Nimbus doesn’t get summoned next turn, of course if you can’t do both of those things then you are obviously not competent enough).

#54

Locking this thread, its just going in circles and degrading into insults.

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