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Feb 2017 silver to diamond ziran deck

Hi there, as winner of the third Duelyst open and a grandmaster, I thought I would stop by to give you some feedback on your deck. I know you get a lot of criticism from some of the discord people so I won’t be too harsh, and I absolutely love how you’re able to forgo some of the “basic rules” of Duelyst for your own idea of a deck, and make it work. Because you’re so far from the meta I expect none of your opponents have any idea how to play against you, and their decks are not prepared for it, which is amazing!

That said, there are reasons why some of these “basic rules” are in place. Not having two drops means that if you start as P1, you have no play. More importantly, on your second turn your best play is going to be throwing down a 3 drop, and neither of your 3 drops are particularly strong on their own. I would HIGHLY recommend trying Silverguard Knight over Dragoon because it has 1 extra HP off the bat and provoke, as well as slotting Lancer in there somehow. This has the side effect of giving you stronger turn one P2 plays. If you are forced to use a removal spell on your second turn, then your opponent is still going to have the initiative and also all the mana tiles, which you’ll have a hard time coming back from.

With that said, I can definitely see how your deck can win. With a million points of healing and all the removal it will easily punish face aggro decks. Against more midrange decks, you will rely on them playing into either Holy Immolate/Sunriser or Decimate to get value and stall the game. Eventually, you will play Ironcliff or Excelsious, either onto an empty board or a board full of their minions. In both scenarios, you hope that they have not been playing smartly and holding removal. If they don’t answer your Excelsious, you win. If they do, you hope to drag out the game and grind them out of resources.

That said, I think your deck has many weaknesses and a good player will be able to properly exploit them. Your midgame is INCREDIBLY reactive and relies on having the proper removal to answer the situation. Your proactive plays are very weak. On top of that, many of your answer cards are situational. It is easy for the opponent to play around Holy Immolation since you have no cheap minions to combo it with. Decimate is likewise easy to play around for a smart player. Additionally, if you spend your turns doing nothing but playing removal, a good player will expect large minions and will ALWAYS be holding a Fox/Thumping Wave/Punish/Repulsor/OBS/Entropic to deal with your Ironcliff. Coupled with your weak early game a good deck should be able to ride the tempo generated by answering your Ironcliff to victory. The deck is too slow and reactive and relies on having the perfect answer to be strong in the current metagame, as your opponent will always have the first ~4 turns of the game free to do whatever they want.

That said, I think the deck is awesome and I can see how it will easily crush those who are unprepared, as you typically find in gold. (Worth noting that I recognize none of the players you beat.) It looks great at punishing those who go all in on face too soon, and those who do not hold removal or play around your own. However, a good player with any midrange or control deck should have no trouble.

As far as deck advice goes, I would consider the following cards (keeping the spirit of the deck):

  • Silverguard Knight
  • Sunforge Lancer
  • Agis Barrier (this should be key and is the only way your deck will work at higher ranks)
  • A proactive 4 drop
  • Possibly a low cost minion to combo with your Holy Immolation
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You too can have this powerful deck for the low low cost of 10k spirit!

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The fact that you argue back to me by using “It isn’t an S rank so you don’t have to care so much about it,” just made me burst a blood vein.

Arclyte Regalia is bad because aggro focuses on tons of small minions hitting you over time, meaning that you’ll be lucky for it to last for even two turns. It’s not that hard to see why it isn’t used.

I know the deck is mid to late game, but the issue is that you will NEVER be able to get mid-late if you don’t have minions early game, and if you argue that windblade is weak to dispel they are dispelling a TWO MANA 4/3. Dragoon will never reach that level of threat, and even if you argue it provides value later on you have to pray to the serpentine gods that your Dragoon lasts long enough to do what you supposed, which is give your already high-health minions more health.

Windblade is good almost any stage of the game too, and if magmar BBS hits it then that’s good for you because you just used 2 mana to deal 4 damage, and if Abyssian lures then they wasted a card on killing it.

Your argument against using lancer makes no sense too. If they can remove a lancer, they can remove any other one of your creatures. Even if they dispel it they used it on a 3 drop, which means that they got borderline value on it, and why do you even use Excelsious if you hate cards that are weak to dispel. Dispelling excel makes it a 8 mana 6/6, which is EXTREMELY bad if you can’t tell.

Almost everithing has been said except:

GOOD JOB!!

(Add those aegis and use them on excelsious :wink: )

@nelf
This is just a post meant to present @kevin2hard’s deck. No one here is forced to use it. It’s just harmless deck sharing. If it isn’t your type of deck, that’s fine. But it seems to be working for him, and ultimately, as long as it works for him, that’s all good. I personally appreciate experimental players who test decks that are outside of the norm.

Heck, I’m running Bastion in Diamond right now giving absolutely no cares in the world! :laughing: It’s working for me, and it doesn’t need to work for anyone else in the world.

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aegis is great and all but leading up to that point can be detrimental at times

ye i recognise my deck weakness ever since i made a similar post back in august… well this was decklist for feb. it seems it has gotten alot of popularity because ive been noticing in march everyone is playing against decimate hahah i could have one card in hand they keeping every minion close to them… the meta changes every month u maybe right on some things i just wish they increase the maximum deck limit to 50 so i could explore more options. Right now im going in goku training mode to prepare for next expansion. Reason i made this deck is to introduce a different playing style than go rush and trade…as for mana tiles i normally drop ironcliffe on them when they get greedy and grab all tiles thats where decimate punish them. not sure if i said it before but ye all decks have their weaknesses its just how u play them…

this was the reason why i stated it is not s rank worthy cause i know how aggressive those players can be its just a deck to reach diamond in just under a couple of hours

just commenting on the dispel weakening effects. a 3/4 or 6/6 after being dispelled is no great loss as they still can trade. i rather that than have a 1/5. ive played way too many games in the past n it hurts everytime seeing silverguard knight getting dispelled. as a ziran player its quite tough tempo wise but for argeon its no big loss

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