Duelyst Forums

Expansion Spoiler Dev Talk Reveal: Necrotic Sphere

#33

Don’t know what you consider good. I’m casual so haven’t got past rank 2 yet. Now rank 6 slowly climbing…

I hate abyssian the most, you see their moves from a mile yet most of the time countering that is not easy. even if you kill 2 revenants they can still have more or just revive one or whatever. And kaleinos that just keep healing them to full, by just being there and at 5 hp if they put it on backline very hard to remove especially if they play 2-3 of them.
Usually you just try to kill them before 8 mana turn, to do this you attack and corner the cassiva. This card is free escape from jail card: only 6 mana to remove everything that is hitting her in the face and spawn wraightlings in their space, if cassiva wasn’t a walking countdown to your death maybe it would be reasonable, maybe you could afford to spend time playing around this somehow (still this is insane value its like better version of makantor or holy immulation, not limited to 4 damage, comes from hero so you can reposition before use and spawns minions on top of the dead bodies). Killing their own minions hardly a drawback for abyssian they either get extra value from it or move the minions or cassiva before attacking. If she is cornered she likely has no minions to begin with.

2 Likes
#34

Did they make this card just so we Vet players can feel bad about Enthropic Decay? Abyss has many mediocre cards, but it also has all the fucking removal, win cons and more.

I just hope they are releasing those cards because both Revenant and Kelaino are going to be badly nerfed, and they are trying to make sure those nerfs won’t destroy the faction, in a weird way.

On a more optimistic note, I like how the rares and commons they revealed so far seem more often than not useful and interesting.

#35

Ok you guys are saying you can play around it yes?
Well the problem is, if you want to beat Cas (I have no experience with Lil so I’m not going to say anything about her) you have to be super aggresive, or be very lucky in the late game, I won like 90% of my games that went to lategame. So if you want to play around Necrotic, you will probably play your minions at your back, right? Well you just giving her time to develod more threats and value generators. You will just go to the lategame, and lose (most of the time).

#36

Probably shouldn’t have made the rude remark. I probably wasn’t thinking properly at the time of my previous comment but yeah I agree with you, Cassy is a bit bonkers. This card’ll be fine in Lili I think, Cassy is just crazy all around right now. That’s an interesting comment that it’s similar to makantor or holy immo, I did not think about it that way before.

2 Likes
#37

Welcome to my nightmare as a Magmar player.

We can only hope we get some amazing other cards, but I doubt it.

1 Like
#38

Hope kron don’t get nerfed again

Hope i don’t make things worse playing it against a deathwatch deck.

Hope it becomes broken and they have to nerf it.

#39

1.how are u gonna kill cassy without putting minions nearby her (unless u are songhai, but hey KALEINO) ?
2. Theres no minion in a creep deck that i see as too important to not sacrifice for my general’s life, whenthe deck’s wincon is all out of hand (revenent, obliterate, azalea). Maybe kaleino is but if u have an unanswered kaleino on board as cass, u are not losing anytime soon

#40

I meant when playing Cassy you usually want to stay a fair distance away from the enemy.

#41

:stuck_out_tongue: k
But i dont think anyone in their right mind would let cass stay far away. Being in her face is usually how people (except songhai) beat cass. This card create a safety net for cass when she screwed up, which is what a dislike about it. It straight up removes threat, unlike pandomonium or ye old metamorphosis which only buys some time (they can be removals but you need to use more cards or your HP to do that)

#42

Hmm, don’t Cassy decks run Silhouette Tracer anymore? I remember that used to see a lot of play cause it made staying in a safe position easier.

Yeah I agree this card will probably be a bit bonkers in Cassy, in Lili it’ll be fine tho I feel.

#43

I believe one of the devs mentioned in discord how during the testing phase how cassy had problems staying alive when fighting other decks and that was one of the reason for implementation of punish, and probably this too. Now, I don’t have an exact source so take what I said with a grain of salt.

They also said during the devtalk how they want aggro to be a thing but only if it’s fairly difficult to pilot where you need to pay a lot of attention to your positioning rather than just mindlessly dropping minions on board and going face. And this card prevents exactly that from happening.

6 Likes
#44

Cass having trouble staying alive? Kelaino nerf is real guys

1 Like
#45

As I said on stream chat: Really love it for the interesting deck synergies it provides :smiley:
The return of Black Solus :smiley:

1 Like
#47

the fact that cassy is played in tournaments finals and wins games as she is, obviously is irrelevant.

the only good way to beat cassy is do it early, she has lots of tools to stay alive, she only needs to survive till turn 8 after that she wins most of the time. so they see that she has problems to survive when people try their best to kill her in time before she snowballs and want to buff her?!

if they nerf kaleino to 2/3 and revenant to 6/3 or and obliterate/azalea get their effect halved, then by all means buff cassiva.

aggro already is risky and less played, than it used to in previous seasons(many heavy heal decks, nerfs to draw, you simply end up with empty hand if go too hard on agro and opponent manages to survive long enough). one can counter most aggro plays with just proper positioning, especially in case of cassiva that only needs to survive till ~8 mana to get going.

already cassivas can survive long enough even while doing horrible positional mistakes if she only manages to get out a couple of kaleinos. with this card probably only songhai may have a chance to actually kill cassiva before 8 mana turn.

#48

haven’t seen it on cassiva. usually she survives good enough even without it.
sajj and vaath use it sometimes.

#49

It kind of is considering the tournaments that she’s winning aren’t featuring the next expansion. Cards from which can make or break a faction.

#50

That’'s partially true, we shouldn’t just assume that cass will continue to be top tier (as if cass players don’t deserve playable new cards), but entering a new expansion from a position of strength is definitely a relevant thing to discuss in a thread like this. If you picked the best and worst factions and withheld expansion cards from both then the odds are extremely high that, four middle factions aside, the old best faction would continue to be better off than the worst.

#51

so far i haven’t seen cards that could treaten a cassiva’s survival spoiled yet (Tectonic Spikes the only aggro card i’ve seen so far). worst case she would actually have to run Silhouette Tracer like ancientmage suggested.

i sure hope there is something like that.
you can’t force every game to go to lategame when 1 faction has clear advantage there over all others.

#52

That’s the whole point.

#53

For me this is an extremely OP card against factions that relying in only few minions or doesn’t has mobility i expect something to deal with this