There is also Ephemeral Shroud, Lightbender, Sandswirl Reader, and most Factions’ removal for those decks that don’t run EMP. And they’ll always™ have it:
Expansion Spoiler Day 3 - Indominus
Even if your general could move and attack while this is on the field it wouldnt be good,
Why should i ever play this over grand master zir?And GM zir is already a niche card.
But that is a general point about late game cards that don’t have immediate effects.
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Because this card has stats that hit the enemy general hard.
2 Attack doesnt matter that much…in those decks you usualy also run bond for which zir is better
Most importantly,zir has stats that allow him to trade with emp
In a bond deck, of course Zir would be better, but for the faction as a whole, Indominous seems like the more optimal choice. How does Zir trade into Emp?
Zir survives and can be healed .Indo just suicides against emp.Emp us such a stupid card honestly…the AOE dispell/artifactdestruction shouldnt come with a 9/9
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Emp moved to vanar or just put to 9 mana. I’d be into that. Otherwise, it’s gonna see the meltdown treatment 6/6, 8 mana so it isn’t a neutral, cheap wincon that spans expansions.
I am banging my head against a metaphorical wall right now. Why is this card even printed in Lyonar? I don’t have a clue! It doesn’t have any notable synergy with existing Lyonar cards, nor does it compliment any Lyonar archetypes. The possible strategies suggested in this thread above seem plausible but only feel like gimmicky win-more combos where decks are perfectly capable without this card. This just isn’t necessary.
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Can it work on Titan? Presumably not, as a Titan deck needs the general to be mobile for nearby allies to reach enemies. Stalling Indominus in the back line and slowing building a powerful board seems like a strategy, but it’s an excruciatingly slow tactic and will only give the opponent the time to draw an EMP.
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Can it work in Swarm Brome? For obvious reasons, no, because a Swarm deck does not prioritize the general in terms of board-building and strategy and doesn’t have an immediate need to protect him. Further, this doesn’t proc Aurora and synergizing Surgeforger with a 7-drop is just awkward and counterproductive.
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Can it work in Heal Zir’an? Again, no. It would be nice to protect the Vitriol or prevent the general from being dispelled, but that’s about it. As Heal Zir’an is a very combo-oriented archetype, it wouldn’t be a wise decision to put in anything other than combo parts in the deck. Additionally, the general will have to navigate herself among Hallowed Ground tiles and occasionally deal self-damage to proc heals; both of which this minion directly nullifies.
In other words, this should’ve been neutral. It reminds me strongly of Magmar cards, which lacks general synergy or association with each other but still makes a deck because the individual power level of cards is relatively high. (Combo Ragnora is an exception.) The same thing would’ve applied to this card, only this isn’t nearly as powerful as said Magmar cards. Actually, if we took away the mobility restriction, gave it a stat buff and a keyword ability, it would’ve fit in quite well in Magmar.
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seems kinda limiting 
I can see the direction they’re going though. it makes it so much safer to drop that 4 damage to self 4/5 minion(tho emp is much safer), and just any self-damage things lyonar could be using. It doesn’t feel like it’d be a game ender though.
He did specifically state it would be an opening gambit that works for two turns. If they can’t kill you in two turns, they’re not invulnerable and the game is perfectly winnable from there.
Thats because this isnt a game ender. Its a late game control card. It forces your opponent to have answers and prevents them from just killing you. No flamebloods or decispikes can let them pull lethal out off their ass.t counters burn and combo decks by sheer virtue of them not being allowed to damage your face without dealing with your board first. Add that with aegis barrier and you have an auto win against mantra, 8g8s, bbs faie, and an extremely strong position against anyone without sandswirl reader, painter, a massive board, or aoe/minion based destroy/dispel effects
figured out how to test a lot of the invulnerable effects. just need a built g8, and a neurolink
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Which is nobody.
Titan ranged meme deck?
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yall say aegis barrier i say screw aegis barrier im running lifestream on this so what if they emp it psssh im summoning a next one after next after next mwahahhaa im invincibleeee!!!
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Will you run three of it? Nahh i fell like 1 is enough
2 but i still cry i cant have a 45 card deck i cant fit ironcliffe this and excelsious in one deck -_- other strong decks got ramp lyonar doesnt (i hate that golem card im talking about cheating 2+mana) so its hard to balance having low and high value minions to pressure
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why not both ¯\ _ (ツ)_/¯
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idk hopefully this expansion brings some powerful op ziran cards its always magmar and abyssian getting tied #1 for op stuff
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