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Duelyst is not a CCG

#1

Yep duelyst is a game where you collect cards and build decks. But it is not a card game at all, it is a tactical, turn based, board game and that’s why I play it. This is a surprisingly difficult thing to find, there is an abundance of card games but basicly no online multiplayer tactical board games. Over the last couple years of really wanting this I either couldent find them at all or they were dead or really unhealthy. I guess recently there might be some competors but I am to invested at this point. So mostly I am just curious about others thoughts on it.

While yes it is a hybrid game with Elements of both a CCG and tactical game, I constantly see people always comparing it to popular card games like hearthstone, which is fair as there are quite a few similarities, but I just don’t understand why it’s even a disscussation of wether you would say choose one over the other. I tend to only have time for and a desire to play one of each type of game, and I sadly don’t have the time for physical games anymore. So I want a digital card game, a tactical turn based game, a hack and slash, and a moba.

What is the point of this? There isn’t much of one, I am not upset by it, it just always confuses me when I see this constantly. I love my card games, but tactical board games I think are just such a vastly different catagory they don’t compete. It’s like comparing Hearthstone to World of Warcraft gameplay because they have simmilar marketing and flavor.

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TLDR
Point A. Duelyst is not a CCG, while it has CCG elements it really is not one, so why does it just get classified as such and lumped in with other CCGs?

Point B. Why would you choose Duelyst over a card game or vice versa? When it’s more of a decision of wether you want to play a tactical game or a card game.

Point C. Competing with card games is hard, competing with online tactical board games is easy as there is very little competition. The board is what makes duelyst great, lets push it in that direction which should also help secure its niche market.

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#2

A game being a board game doesn’t mean that it couldn’t also be a card game at the same time.

These two games are similar, so they are bound to be compared with each other. The devs cannot deny taking huge inspirations from Hearthstone.

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#3

This is also incorrect, duelyst is a collection of waifus in which you must grind through a PvP minigame in which you play your waifus order to gain gold in order unlock access to more waifus.

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#4

Comparison is fine as I did point out they are similar. which is especially true when it comes to certain mechanics or some balancing approaches, it’s the “Well X card game is better then Duelyst, or Duelyst is better then X card game.” Is just bizzare to me.

While I acknowledge the simmilarties I feel the archetypes are different enough it’s like saying…skyrim is better then call of duty, which is just absolutly bizzare to me. Yea a bit more of an extreme analogy but it is what it is. Either you prefer FPS or your prefer RPG, they are two different to say I choose X game over X game, when it’s more of choosing FPS vs RPG.

#5

I’d say it’s both. It’s a tactics game because it has a board, but it’s a card game because it has deck building and playing cards. In a strictly tactical game, you would have all your units available from the beginning, with some possible exceptions. Or it would be like go. Under this criterion, duelyst is not a strict tactics game. It’s a hybrid.

#6

This is very true, but I play it because, aside from maybe this year, I have not been able to even find another good, active, pvp tactical board game.

Which means you could take it even a step further and say its only comparable to other hybrids like Pox Nora when it comes down to choosing between X game vs X gametype.

#7

You might like to try Cardhunter and Krosmaga.

#8

Oh cool the Wakfu universe finally brought back an arena style game, that makes me very happy. But between my investment in Duelyst and my depressing history with Wakfu I probably wont be trying it out.

Thank you for the recommendations though, if duelyst ever truly hits rock bottom to the point where I need a break I will probably check them out.

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#9

A game can belong to multiple genres…If a game could not be played without the cards that it uses, then the cards are the main focus of the game and it is a card game.

#10

While true, but having the board makes it just so vastly different from a card game that I think it is primarily a tactical game. It could be done without cards, but they are there to add the excitement that “good” rng can do, while being a sollid marketing tactic that not only attracts but makes it easier for a CCG player to get into.

It is certainly a hybrid game with elements of both, but that alone makes it a completely different. It’s not that I don’t understand why comparisons are made and why someone might choose it to be their “card game” it just seems odd to me that it is primarily classified as just a fancy CCG by most people when that could not be farther from the truth.

#11

Any comparison is OK when a person does understand that it is his subjective opinion.

Compare

“Books are better than music”

and

“I like reading books more than listening to music”

While the first statement sounds really crazy, the second one is OK and just describes one person’s preference. Same goes for comparing Earthstone and Doolist.

I consider Hearthstone more grind than skill dependant, and I gave up playing it in about a week, since I knew much more “better” and “interesting” games to play. While I (and any other person) understand that this opinion is just, well, opinion, not a truth, it’s OK. But I believe I have the right to evaluate games and all the other stuff, while I understand that it is not objective.

#12

I love those games as well, so I have a lot more to recommend as well, also ones without cards.
Just lemme know when you need them :slight_smile:

I don’t need a break with Duelyst in order to also play other games, so I am currently playing those aforementioned games as well.

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#13

I completly agree, the comparison or having preference is fine. I just find it odd that Duelyst often gets classified as a CCG despite that it’s really not.

#14

Sorry, I misinterpreted your post then)

#15

I don’t think you did, you are addressing a point that I brought up, and I just agree with what you said. My post is a little long winded and perhaps not very direct.

Point A. Which I failed to put the primary Emphasis on, is “Why is it frequently classified as a CCG when it’s really not.”

And point B. Why would you choose Duelyst over a Card game or vice versa. Some very fair points were brought up to this one that I completly agree with.

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#16

Well personally i disagree, are there cards? yes. do you collect them? yes. Therefor is is CCG, a Collectible Card Game

#17

But classifying it as that means that is all it is, when it has just as many, if not more Tactical board game elements. So it hardly seems fair to just lump it in with other CCGs.

#18

Its a CCG with a board. Just because there is a board doesn’t mean its not a CCG. I don’t know if you played Yu-gi-oh, but some of their games have played on a board where positioning matter to some degree like War of the roses and Capsule monsters if I remember the games right. But those are still CCG since you still collect cards in order to improve but just happen to have a board where tactical decisions matter, although not as much as Duelyst.

So to refer to the opening post. Point A, I would class it as a CCG because it has CCG elements to a large degree, although more diverse than a traditional CCG due to the board.

Point B, personally choice really. Most people who like tactical games often like card games because there is an element of strategy and tactical games often require knowing what pieces (or in Duelyst case, cards) to look out for, what needs to get shut down on the opponents side and how you are going to win.

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#19

I mean, I see your point and everything. If people only refer to duelyst as a CCG when describing it to other people, yes, it makes sense that would be a huge disservice to what duelyst actually is and it would confuse the crap out of anyone who actually downloaded it. But I haven’t actually seen anyone do that.

Moreover, I know of other tactical games, some online PvP based, and it would be unfair to them to lump all of Duelyst in that category instead. Stuff like Frozen Cortex, Blood Bowl and Battle For Wesnoth. It’s not that a tactical game has to be free of RNG elements, but the F2P CCG model can have a huge impact on whether or not tactical minded players would be interested in Duelyst. There are plenty of people who won’t touch any F2P game except to dip their toe in the water since they’d rather not commit to the F2P grind and/or microtransactions.

If there really is an unfair “CCG” bias in the playerbase it is a bias that has been encouraged by CPG itself. As we exited beta the devs described their vision of the game as something like 20% board game and 80% card game, and that vision hasn’t changed. So it’s not surprising then that players primarily compare duelyst to others in the CCG genre.

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#20

ccgs tend to have dusting element n value of opening packs in hopes of achieving a legendary card… cpg started with everyone able to get whole set then claimed it would be a one time thing but now its officially a trend where every expansion everyone will get access to all cards thus to me losing the value of it being a ccg since everyone can get every copy of every card at a much quicker rate making dusting and crafting obsolete. maybe it was a good thing maybe it isnt…who knows at least it enable noobs to play with all the top tier decks -_-