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Denizens of Shim’zar Spoiler: Morin-Khur – Duelyst

#6

Thanks for the interesting write-up, Zoochz.

Morin-Khur seems like a very interesting card and I can definitely see a lot of potential in some crazy combos. However, it is largely useless outside of a combo and it is expensive. Expensive combo pieces are not that great in general, because in addition to the usual limitations of waiting to use a combo, you also have the limitation of needing to survive long enough to use it. However, the combo might be strong enough to offset that? I guess we’ll see. The card would have been much stronger without the attack buff but being 3 cores cheaper, but maybe it would have been too strong then.

As to the Rebirth buff, I’m not so sure it will be as game-changing as so many people think. The thing is, eggs are usually always killed on the turn they are made anyway. The opponent knows that if he leaves an egg up during your turn, it will be hatched, so nine times out of ten they will either kill the egg immediately or refuse to kill the minion that turn in the first place. Whether the egg hatches on the start of your turn or the end does not matter too much. If your opponent can’t kill your Silithar Elder egg on his turn, you’ve likely won already, since he likely won’t be able to deal with two Elders the following turn even if the new Elder isn’t activated yet. I do admit that the change will boost the effectiveness of Chrysalis Burst though - the major weakness of the card was that you were essentially paying 4 mana to do nothing until two turns after it was played. Of course, this new artifact, Egg morph and likely more new cards are made much better with the upcoming Rebirth buff.

#7

Burst and Hatching everything not only requires you to have 9 cores, it takes up your entire turn, it isn’t reliable, it requires your general to be in range on something that can damage it and it requires your general to not be in danger of dying. And it can’t even be Flash Reincarnated out early like Skorn/Metamorphosis.

I know the whining is inevitable, but maybe at least wait for the cards to come out before starting?

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#8

If you can hatch the eggs from Chrysallis burst the same turn it’s played for 9 mana (or 4 if Morin Khur is played a turn before)… And if they have Rush? This game is just gonna get stupid. Songhai takes like 4-5 cards to do it’s big hits. Magmar and Lyonar can now do it in 2. What’s the point of playing Songhai if combos like this are going to exist? I’m hoping that the minions only have “Rush” if they hatch at the start of your turn normally. Giving them rush off a Morin Khur combo is just broken. Sorry, it just is. that means that an Egg Morph/Morin Khur can pretty much give any minion rush (again for 4 mana if Morin Khur is already on the battlefield.

Yes, every faction is getting “broken” stuff, but this almost redefines “broken” (again assuming Morin Khur-hatched minions have Rush). If they don’t have Rush, then that would be more on the level of “broken” that the other factions are getting.

#9

As resident timmy I APROVE 10/10

Jokes aside, for this to truly great you need some sort of board presence and set up, or it needs to be quite late in the game. If they add more rebirth minions, this gets even better, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they did, so who knows? I’ll be sure to make a silithar/burst/khur deck once shim’zar hits, even if it is terrible!

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#10

I though Emil was Pylon :smile:
I hope you.ll post more video on YouTube !!

It look really strong, I hope it won’t be nerfed at the middle of the first month…

I am also a little bit worried with the DLC ? Shimzar looks like a race to get all the legendaries… :disappointed:
Did CP made some (useful) rare or common ?
Will it still be possible to hit S-rank with budget deck ?

#11

Magmar already had minion that gave rush and honestly it wasn’t that bad and this way more set up than that.If you let a person equip artifact and have taygete on the board you are asking for it imo.

#12

skorn, sphere of darkness, and bloodtear just became auto-include. heck it might even make breath of the unborn, tempest and ghost lightning something that every deck has to run, if so RIP lilithe swarm

#13

It’s not necessary to cast them both on the same turn. And while that does give your opponent a chance to get rid of the artifact on their turn, getting 3 hits on a general in one turn is not always viable, especially if the artifact is played at the right time.

It’s only a two card combo, and both cards are good in their own right, so this doesn’t seem a compelling point.

That’s the standard deal with Vaath though. He almost always will be near something unless he is near death. Note that he only has to deal damage, not receive it, so for example Dampening Wave can be used.

This is a discussion forum. A very enthusiastic post was made about these changes/cards and I am politely expressing concerns and asking questions. I didn’t scream and yell, I didn’t say it was definitely OP. I simply gave my impressions on how this looks, based on how things were described.

I’m sorry you consider that worthy of being considered only “whining”.

#14

Magmar swarm. The horror.

#15

Interesting artifact,we already know that silithar Elder is being nerfed,but will this also nerf other rebirth cards? Celerity rebirth minions with this card would be insane :slight_smile:.

#16

Sorry, I broke my “Don’t panic until all the cards and mechanic changes are known” rule. I’m still a bit worried, but there could easily be card/mechanic changes coming that make this less appealing than it seems. If not, well, I have a heck of a lot of Magmar cards to acquire. :stuck_out_tongue: (Currently I have no cards with the word “egg” in them if that gives you an idea, nor have I disenchanted any.)

#17

I sipply love it, it gives so much potential to deckbuilding!
This gave Magmar a whole new area of work to discover, I can’t wait to try building a chrysalis morin-khur deck…

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#18

Thanks for the article Zoochz.

Silithar elder is by far the biggest winner of the new rebirth rule but he will get changed so that is fine.

Glad chrysalis burst is getting buffed (favorite card in flavor).

Morin-Khur is a cool cards but in order to make it worth it ,you will have to play a lot of egg cards (hopefully we get some new one) and the egg cards would have to be good by themself.

And btw why the fuck are you guys not using you real pseudonym on the forum ? It is really a pain to recognize people in here.

#19

With this, Vaath now swarms better than lilithe.

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#20

I’ve had games lost on turn two, think a very heavily buffed Shakri Avatar or a heavily buffed Lion. It’s a thing that happens in this game.

And I’d argue that Kara and Abyssian are the top tier decks, none of the magmar decks currently run Chrysalis Burst (except mine) and they probably wouldn’t include it either because it doesn’t fit their style.

I for one am looking forward to the Egg-centric deck I’ll be playing.

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#21

Okay sure, and turn 2 Mechaz0r!s happen as well. But does anyone leave a game like that feeling good about it, win or lose? :slight_smile:

I just don’t know that adding more of such stuff is a good thing. Especially when it’s not even a combo, it’s just “pull it and play it” and if your opponent has no answer, the very next turn he has to deal with potentially absurdly overpowered minions for turn 3. Unless they change what Burst can summon, I suppose.

We only have 5 days to wait and we’ll see everything and how it fits together. I am just puzzled that people think it would be a good thing for a player, on his/her turn 3, to have to deal with 4 eggs scattered around the board, each of which can potentially turn into something costing more than the player could cast on turn 3. There are AoE options in the game, but not many, and even fewer that can be played that quickly.

Having to deal with a makantor, a silithar elder and a kolossus on turn 3 is not really comparable to a buffed lion, is it?

#22

I’ve been playing Chrysalis Burst for a while now, it is very very very rare for even one egg to survive untill the next turn and this was in silver. Seriously, I wouldn’t worry about it.

#23

And don’t forget Nature’s Confluence the very next turn after they’ve blown what ever AOE spell they had. “Ah, so ya managed to deal with my Silither Elder, Kolossos, and Grimrock. Got anything left for 4 copies of Gro?”

#24

Well, the battle pets are a big unknown.

@misanthropovore, fair enough on Burst, but I’ve had it played against me, and not been able to get more than 2 or 3 eggs before my opponent’s next turn. With this change, that could well be deadly, and that’s not even taking the artifact into account.

Again, this is a one-card “combo” that costs 4 mana. I am not saying it needs to be nerfed, but the caution/concern has reason behind it.

I have always wanted to play Magmar, personally, so I am fine with them getting cool toys. :slight_smile:

#25

I’ve been silent on the whole Magmar-Egg thing because I’ve been hoping it was all a big practical joke, or that there was some detail that made things alright. Of course I’ll wait and see what actually happens, but the whole deal makes me brace myself for Turn 2 “Oh I haven’t drawn Blistering Skorn, better luck next time” auto-concede scenarios.

Here’s hoping Rush actually gets that ‘attack OR move’ nerf many of us have been hoping for (regardless of whether or not the new Eggs are busted btw).