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Church of the Mankantor (State of Magmar thread 11-29-2017) Lizard Overlords

#49

I’ve been doing some more Ragnora testing today, taking a break from my usual Quillrage list. Watching the recent Monolith Invitational, I became inspired by Henrykator’s Vaath list that ran Boulder Breacher. I feel like Boulder Breacher is a great card for Ragnora, as not only does it have great synergy with other standard golem cards (Metallurgist, Ragebinder, Lavaslasher, and the occasional EMP), but its bond effect helps you get more value off of your Ripper Egg’s Celerity.

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This is the current version that I am running. There are a lot of sticky minions to help us ensure value off of Progenitor, and Morrin Khurr helps us get that extra burst off of our eggs. An early EMP can put on a lot of pressure, and help us get rid of high-value artifacts like Arclyte Regalia and Crescent Spear. I originally ran x2 Juggernaught in the list, but I felt it too slow for the deck, and I found myself constantly replacing it. By adding in x2 Earth Sphere, the deck gains much more reliable heal to help combat matchups like Mantra. Boulder Breachers have also produced a lot of value for maintaining our minions.

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#50

Came back after an intermittent year of not playing, win streaked to gold, then used this deck to take it to rank two with 4 chevrons in day 4, but I’m having a lot of trouble curving out and running out of gas vs vet and, Progen seems kind of dead, and I don’t know how to play from behind when this build bricks, any advice?

This is actually my favorite build of all the ones listed here as it has a lot of board power.

#51

Hey, welcome back to Duelyst! A year, huh? A lot’s changed in a year…

Well, I think you picked a pretty good time to come back, aside from Vetruvian being kinda too strong right now.

As for the progenitor question, its stats aren’t amazing for cost, and I’m not big on abilities that are dependent on your board…I suppose if you can get decently strong thing to stick, or play him on the same turn as something at higher mana, you could wring some decent value out of him. I’m not really the one to ask, I’m only throwing in my two cents because I felt like I needed to say something besides hello.

But yeah, I don’t really like him. Try replacing him with a pair of armadas for a couple games and see if you like them, I’ve found them to be a really great seven-mana play.

Edit: You WERE referring to @akurane’s decklist, right?

#52

Yes, I was, and thank you for the feedback!
I’ve been swapping between this list and a Saurain Vaath, might try out OTK Twin Fang because I see that list is
pretty good apparently.

#53

I am playing with Progenitor and I don’t get why you guys don’t like her.

I don’t get why people think that 5/4 for 4 are bad stats… there aren’t many 4 drops with abilities that go higher than the x+y=9 statline even Thunderbuddy has 4/5 (and can be killed by Progenitor)

Yes, it is hard to play Progenitor IF you are behind. Therefore it is a better card in a deck that has more sticky early game. Akurane’s list is playing Cryptographer - who has no place in a Ragnora list that doesn’t focus on the combo as he isn’t sticky enough. With Boulder Breacher the focus is much more on the mid to lategame.

If you want to play Progenitor you need Young Slithar as one of the stickiest 2 drops you can get. Lava Lance Has to be there to be able to remove early pressure. You also profit a lot from the Prog-Eggs. Stuff like Erratic Raptyr should be there to have some more things on the early curve that supports Egg synergy.

If you want to include Boulder Breacher into an agressive Progenitor list it looks like this:

The deck doesn’t need EMP as its lategame. This deck wins in the 7-8 mana range most of the times. Progenitor is bad in the lategame. If you have a board to double lategame you are doing well and most of the time are already closing the game. I went to S with a list that sported Rage Reactor instead of Boulder breacher at the eleventh of this month with 74 wins ( it helped that my Abyssian fun deck was surprisingly competetive - again thanks to cloudfrog).

Don’t insult mah Progenigirl !!!

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#54

Completely agree with you on Progenitor being a very strong card. Many decks have a very, very hard time to comeback from an early Progenitor that cloned a couple of sticky minions.

But given the fact that you want to snowball off of her as hard as possible: Why no Sunsteel? Another resilient and cheap minion that also works well with Flash Reincarnation. And why no third two-drop (Celebrant, Healing Mystic, Primus Fist come to mind)? As you said it yourself: Progenitor is bad when you’re behind, but only running six two-drops needlessly puts you at risk of falling behind from the get-go, doesn’t it?

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#55

Hey, glad to see that you have been enjoying my deck! I agree with a lot of @beelakor 's assessment of Progenitor; it can be a very strong card with enough early game pressure, but my posted list is not built strongly to abuse Progenitor correctly (particular due to my list favoring EMP and Cryptographer. I think that @beelakor 's list is a lot stronger to combine Progenitor/eggs with Golems.

That being said, I did not take into account of the effects of EMP and Cryptographer being in my list earlier this week, and I ended up changing my version to suit my own personal flavour: Quillrage. The following list is what I am currently running, although I will most likely follow @beelakor 's suggestion to get more value off of Progenitor.

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#56

Concerning progenitor’s stats, I never said they were bad, just not amazing. 5/4’s can kill more things than 4/5’s, but 4/5’s have many more combinations of damage sources they can survive. If I could run my thunderhorns as 5/4’s instead of 4/5’s, I’d say no. If I could run them as 6/4’s instead of 4/5’s, I’d have to think about it.

Concerning progenitor’s ability,

This is my personal preference. I’m very leery of using any cards that need any kind of established board to work well, because of how many ways there are in this friggin’ game to nix the other guy’s stuff. Progenitor’s ability has great potential, it’s just not my style. In a less removal-happy game than Duelyst, I’d definitely consider it.

And it is true that I didn’t think about cloning multiple small things, rather than one big thing, so that’s my bad. If you can go young silithar (or other 2/3), ragebinder (or other good 3-drop), progenitor, that puts your opponent in a bad spot. Assuming they kill the ragebinder egg, you still get a 5/4, a young silithar and absorption of damage/removal out of your four-mana card, so it can definitely do work.

#57

If I wouldn’t run Rage Reactor I probably would run another 2/3 statted 2 drop. Which would you guys choose?

#58

I came up with that:

I’d love to add some Thunderhorns but I am not exactly sure for what.

Not sure if the Boulder Breachers are that good because of anti synergies with Raptyr and Sunsteel.

#59

Yeah, maybe this list needs another 3 drop than Raptyr.

Bloodbound Mentor could be fun. The 3/4 statline is okay and you could get some serious card advantage as soon as you egg him. 8/10

Moloki Huntress couls also fit in. I played with her and Godhammer in this list for a while, but you don’t really pressure your opponent with it until you got Moloki+Hammer out. 6-7/10

Instead of Grow Thraex is a nice alternative to push the swarm over the 3 Power mark. If you aren’t able to use the BBS with it though Terradon could be the better card. Not really optimal.
6/10

We got our sticky winner! Sarlac Eggs would be sick… oh boy, the memes. 10/10 (he doesn’t do enough pressure. 2/10 probably)

Mirkblood Devourer is too much backline and not that synergystic with eggs.4/10

Sworn Avenger has to survive. I don’t see that coming. 3/10

The only option left is Thar. I somehow prefer the Magmar cards here though. 5/10

#60

It’s finals period for uni students in the US. Good duelyst players tend to be college or higher… perhaps that’s what you’re seeing? That and a lot of vets only came back to test expansion stuff and have since left or gone back to just a casual game here and there

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#61

There are already 6 3 drops with Ragebinder and Raptyr. Even more 3 drops?

Teradon is maybe something but seems a better fit for Grow decks.

Bloodbound Mentor is nice too.

#62

The idea was to replace Raptyr due to its incompability with breacher. I however like the Raptyr EMP Interaction. No real need to go over 6 3 drops.

#63

What is the incompatibility that you are speaking of?

#64

Well, he is still reverting to an egg… might be seen as a minor downside.

#65

As opposed to reverting to a egg anyway?

Not having synergy is not anti synergy.

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#66

But incompability is the correct word then. It is not compatible with Breacher’s effect.

#67

I like the burst potential of Raptyr with Morin-Khur. But EMP also works nice with Raptyr that is true.

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