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Card Discussion 12-17-2017 Reliquarian

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Card Discussion Reliquarian

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Type: Unit

Rarity: Legendary

Set: Immortal Vanguard

Cost: 7

Stats: 3/3

Effect:
Opening Gambit: Forge a friendly minion into a Faction artifact with equal Attack.

The Relics

Blazing Relic (Does Damage on Attack and Counter attack)
Your general gains +X ATK and whenever your general attacks or counterattacks, deal x damage to a random enemy where X is the ATK of the sacrificed minion.

Primal relic Magmar (Grow)
Your general gains +X ATK and when your general deals damage, give each friendly minion +X/X where X is the ATK of the sacrificed minion.

Shining Relic Lyonar(Heal)
Your general gains +X ATK and if your general takes damage, restore X health where X is the ATK of the sacrificed minion.

Void Relic Abyssian (Steal health from General)
Your general gains +X ATK and if your general attacks a minion, steal X health from the enemy general where X is the ATK of the sacrificed minion.

Howling Relic Vanar (Night Howlers)
Your general gains +X ATK and whenever your general attacks, summon X Vespyr Nighthowlers (3/3) around your General, where X is the ATK of the sacrificed minion.

Barren Relic Vetrurivan (Summon friendly destroyed minions)
Your general gains +X ATK and when your general attacks, summon X of your minions destroyed this game on random spaces where X is the ATK of the sacrificed minion

Empty Relic(Damage)
Your general gains +X ATK.

More explanation Your General gains + Attack which is the attack of creature sacrificed for example Ziran sacrifices a Second Sun she gets an 8 attack weapon plus the normal attack of the general so 10 attack. The second part is the special ability if Ziran hits Drybone Golem with her 10 attack weapon she of course kills it and loses the 10 health. Then Ziran relic special ability is to heal for 8 and Ziran gain back 8 health. Simply put big attack FACTION minion = the more stronger the relic.

Credit to **Reliquarian artifact info spoiler

Strangely enough I can’t find all the good Reliquarian decks I have seen over last couple weeks so I will add them as soon as I come across them again

Abyssain Relquirian

Hrizt’S Abyssian Reliquairan list

Magmar Relquarian

Intellect Present Swarm Reliquarian list

I am going to really recommend that people try out this deck if they have all the cards already. It is real deck not a meme. In the version that I play have taken out 1 lava lance,rebuke and Reliquarian for 3 earth spheres

Vetruvian

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Discussion points? Questions

1.What was your initial thoughts about this card when you first saw it? Do you think that the card is a meme

2.How often do you see this card on the ladder? What deck is it good in?

3.Why is it that don’t you see as much Songhai,Lyonar and Vanar Reliquarian decks? What do you think can be done to make it better in those factions

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I actually thought it would see a lot of play due to the relic power. Turned out it was a meme, because you need to sacrifice a rather large minion, but try to keep one in the lategame.
I have yet to see it on ladder (possibly because Silver), but I do use it in my personal Maehv list, because it tends to stick 4+ attack minions rather nicely (especially post Variax).
Reason IMO doesn’t see play in Lyonar. The Lyonar deck I imagine this in is some Healyonar with excelsious(Eat big Excelcious, get huge profit, right?). The problem is, that Excelsious oftenly enough is enough to kill, or gets removed instantly. Although I think it could see play in Titan Argeom with Dawn’s eye, but that deck doesn’t need much help honestly (i think).
Songhai just take their games quick enough to not go around Meltdowning. But it could see some play in Banglehai, just because memes of 2x Meltdown blasts a turn.
About Vanar, i don’t understand why it didn’t see play. It could have fitted perfectly into some lategame Vespyr Kara lists, because it is kinda powerful.

#3

So F8D made a really good point about the factions with Reliquarian that do work they all can cheat out a big faction minion Magmar(Mandrake) Vet(Patheron) and Abyss(Reliquarian via Arcane Devourer) . So that is one of big keys to making Reliquarian work.Other good point is those 3 factions have Rebirth or Dying wish minions.Minions that you don’t mind sacrificing for a Relic. Those thing combined make those factions better with Reliqurian.

With Lyonar you set your hopes to big with Excelious ,Something smaller and cheaper like Second Sun/Elyx would be better.Some sort of controlish Ziran with those big stuff could possiblly pull it off.

For Vanar I agree I am surprised we don’t have a Reliquarian list I remember Freud playing one the other day but i didn’t see what the exact list was but i remember him thinking it had potential. Vanar has the dying wish minions in Fenir Warmaster and Drauglord, bunch of minions with high attack like Arctic displacer,Ancient Grove,Ghost Seraphim and disposable minions like Blazing spikes.I think a decent list could be made at some point.

Songhai is probably the hardest because they have only 3 realistic targets imo Keshrai Fanblade,Geomancer and Hamon bladeseeker. Personally i don’t see the point for Songhai who just has better finishers and Songhai isn’t faction that wants to play a board centric style with its minions.

#4

I found this card on ladder only once in an Abyssian deck and the weapon it created was really strong (Arcane Devourer was sacrificed).

Given my limited experience, I can’t really tell whether the card can work in all the factions or if it is better / worse than my initial expectations. I think a big limitation of the card is that artifacts are very vulnerable to pings, hence the amount of value you can get from Reliquarian is very meta-dependent. Even Abyssian are spending two cards to get a very strong artifact, one strong blow, and then they have to keep their fingers crossed hoping to get a second one.

I’m very surprised it is not used in Vanar. Given the effect, it can negate the main downside of artifacts by placing minions around the attacking General. Unfortunately, I don’t have the card, so I can’t test it…

#5

You’re surprised a 7 mana 3/3 that needs previous non wall minion setup in the best ramp faction in the game, with minions such as Embla and Seraphim doesn’t see play?

I’d be surprised if it did.

#6

When I first saw the card I thought it could be awesome, but that was before the Relics were revealed. Now I think it’s mostly a meme outside of maybe Abyssian. As long as Rasha’s Curse and EMP exist I don’t see big Artifacts get significant traction anyway unless they have a Dying Wish effect. I’d like it to see more play though because I think it’s awesome.

In terms of usability I’d rate the Relics like this (strongest - weakest)

Void Relic - Blazing Relic - Barren Relic - Howling Relic - Primal Relic - Shining Relic - Empty Relic

I have tried to play it as a one-of in Lyonar (to combo with an out-of-position big beater), but haven’t seen it played otherwise.

Songhai: Songhai doesn’t have decks with high Attack minions that see play. Songhai needs a new archetype for it to see play.
Lyonar: Shining Relic sucks. The entire effect would have to be overhauled or it would need protection against removal.
Vanar: Also doesn’t run many high Attack minions, and the ones they do are mostly better than Howling Relic. Vespyrs need a successful deck so you can combo off a suped up Vespyr. But even there it’s likely to be too much of a win-more card.

I really like the concept but I think the effect comes in to play too late for most decks, meaning that the card is either win-more or it doesn’t do anything to save the losing player.

#7

If you ask me, this deck is pretty meme. However, to be fair to the developers, it’s a card that can definitely be slotted into some top meta decks, and may not always need to have a specific deck built around it.

Ok, but if asked about my personal feelings about this card, it’s only good at one thing: pushing your advantage. it’s cost is too high for it to be able to swing a game, unless you’re on relatively even terms with your opponent, and even so, there are much better cards that make a lasting impact on the board instead of removing a possibly key minion that could tip the scales in your favour just for a probable chance of success given you actually get value out of the relic.

Most times, relative control over the board is required before even CONSIDERING playing this card. But given, I love its effect.

#8

I really like reliquarian, and I think it can lead to really interesting design choices for decks. I have personally enjoyed playing reliquarian in Maehv, and I would also like to test reliquarian in Magmar/Ragnora, Vanar/Kara, and Vetruvian/Sajj.

Besides my own play testing of the card, I have ran into reliquarian only 2 times. One was a mirror against another Maehv, and the other happened yesterday against a Ragnora (which I lost bc I couldn’t answer a warpup X.X).

Reliquarian isn’t seen much in Songhai or Lyonar, because they don’t really need it, as to me their relics don’t really contribute much to their normal gameplay strategy. The same can be said for Vanar, although I believe it could have some potential in a Vespyr list. That’s not to say that their relics aren’t fun or strong though.

#9

It’s shit.

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