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Buff Arcanyst Lilithe (Help needed)

I think that the core of the idea is really straightforward, use The Scientist and Spells (Darkfire sacrifice and Ritual banishing “target” minions) to draw cards. Use cryptographer to proc your bbs and use wraithlings as scapegoats. Any oppinions or suggestions?

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-1 Ephemeral Shroud
-1 Manaforger
+2 gor’s if you’re using ritual banishing (also works with darkfire sacrifice and crescendo)

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This is what I am running right now.
http://imgur.com/SOdqQX9

I think you should lower Death Knell and Nightshroud to 2x Copies. They are both played in specific situations and you don’t want them cluttering your hand.

Keilano is a must in every deck I think. Even after the nerf.

The Scientist doesn’t have a place in Abyssian. In Lyonar, and other classes with cheap buffs/BBS for friendly minions it can fill a very specific role. I haven’t tried it myself in Abyssian, but I don’t think it would pull its weight.

More Spells are needed too I think.

Daemonic Lure is excellent, and Void Pulse is very good.

Void Pulse does a bit of damage, heals a decent amount and is cheap fuel for synergy.

Sphere of Darkness is very good. PIng, cheap, and card cycle.

Grasp is situational but can be a HUGE board swing + some general damage.

I have yet to craft Spectral Revenants myself, but on the offchance you have some, I think that they are auto include for Abyssian. Maybe only 2 times if your deck is already very full but it is one of the strongest cards in the game.

Also, not having a general is definitely hurting your chances of winning :smirk: You should consider adding one in, you have a free spot in your deck still.

If you have any questions please ask, I will answer when I get back from wor

The question is, do you want your deck to be some fancy meme deck or do you want it to work? If it’s the first, go ahead with what you have and have fun with it. If it’s the latter i suggest a complete workover.

First off, there is literally no reason to play the Scientist over Blue Conjurer in this kind of deck.
Second, you want more cheep spells to proc your arcanyst synergy, Shadow Reflection and Deathfire don’t sure a purpose in this deck. Void Pulse and Lure would be more beneficial. Grasp is also worth considering.
Third, Nightshroud is a horrible card, don’t use it. Yes, when you have the board full with Arcanysts it can win you the game, but these kind of games you will usually win anyway, it’s just win more at this point, and it does absolutely nothing if you have little to no board. Even the combo with Death Knell sucks because CPG thought it was a good idea to make Death Knells summoning order random.

I would take out nightshroud, the scientist, shadow reflection, and deathfire crescendo.

Nightshroud is just bad and doesn’t proc enough to be worth it, especially as death knell is random.
The scientist is fairly terrible, just run blue conjourer instead.
Shadow reflection is an aggro card, this is a control deck so it doesn’t fit here.
Deathfire crescendo is a swarm card that requires stuff to die, owlbeast gives stuff more health so they don’t die, this kind of anti-synergy is to be avoided.

Now that the bad cards have been taken out I would add:
Sphere of darkness, any 1 cost card that draw a card is excellent, this also gives a ping which is super useful for trading, a 3 of in any deck even without the need for cheap spells.
Deamonic lure, one of the best removal spells in the game, also combos with sphere and your general for stuff like circulus, kelino and other backline annoyances.
Void pulse, another cheap spell for procing owlbeast and illusionist, also good as a finisher and for emergency healing.
Spectral revenant, this is a contender for best minion in the game, along with makantor, lavaslasher, falcius, azurite etc
Blue conjouer has already been mentioned, it is kinda broken in these kind of decks.
These are core cards that you need in this kind of deck.

Other things to consider are grasp of agony (can be a great board clear with deamonic lure), lightbender (as an alternate for ephemeral shroud, it has arcanyst synergy and is aoe, but is more expensive. It’s your choice but I think it is a better fit), alcuin loremaster (this is more situational, but can be super strong is you steal trinity oath or something).

Some other things to consider is to change the number of certain cards, specificly death knell as that only really needs to come once and if you are going late game then you can go through most of your deck. You are also kind of lacking in terms of 2 drops, missing turn one is really bad, adding some more is a good plan (stuff to consider are healing mystic, primus fist, and gloomchaser).

As a disclaimer I despise abyssian and don’t play them, so most of what I just said is based on general game knowledge and what I have seen and may not be fully acurate.

I think the changes you guys are making are ruining the whole idea.[quote=“genkei, post:1, topic:10117”]
use The Scientist and Spells (Darkfire sacrifice and Ritual banishing “target” minions) to draw cards.
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the point being that why would you ever run the scientist when blue conjourer is better in basically every way?

That’s why

If you want memes then go all out with consuming rebirth and blood echoes for maximum night shroud plays, but if you want something that works (even though I think this is kinda clunky as an arctype) then my advice might be worth following.

The deck looks fine if you’re focused on keeping Scientist. The only thing I would change would be removing Shadow Reflection, I think, since it’s hard to find time to use it.

Of course, if you want something competitive you’ll have to drop Scientist AND Shadow Reflection, but that’s up to you.

On another note don’t put too much into everyone bashing on Nightshroud, I like the card and climbed to S with a deck featuring it multiple times (a deck with no Owls OR DFS, mind you). It’s really not that bad and the healing is very nice for a deck that’s so lategame centered, often lending enough damage to put pressure on your opponent out of nowhere.

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Thank you all for the input, I have a good starting point now for future tweaking now. Yes I know that some of the cards are sub-optimal, but I really like the interaction between The Scientist and Abyssian spells, and the deck is ment to higlight that, instead of arcanysts. I would like the deck to be competitive, but in it’s essence it is a meme deck, so fancy memes it is. As some have noted, The Scientist will not go away as he is the soul of the deck, however I am having mayor doubts about Deathfire, as it is anty-synergetic. Nightshroud has actually served me quite well in the few (around 10) games I played, but I can see him reduced to 2.The way the deck is right now it either creates an unbeatable board or loses with no chance of recovery.

Anyway, thank you for your time, I will keep working on this deck and testing it, and perhaps, if I am satisfied with resoults, I will post a detailed overview.

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