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A Few Underpowered Things that Deserve Attention

#1

  1. Zirix’ BBS. It should be targetable, like Reva’s. A 2/2 isn’t even as strong as a 1/1 ranged (see Helm of Mechazor vs. Heartseeker – one has an extra ability, the other is a faction minion. Two factors in favor of Heartseeker.), and the “argument” that a targetable BBS is “too confusing” for new players is shattered by the existence of Kaleos and Argeon. If it’s going to remain random, it should be 3/2.

  2. Astral Crusader should cost one less up front. Having it go through the whole Draw --> Replace --> Draw process just to be equal to a Stormmetal Golem is ridiculous, because that’s already less likely to happen in a typical game than, for example, Hamon Bladeseeker dropping and then dying before the 2 damage is dealt, making it’s drawback nonexistent. Requiring it to be Replaced a second time and then drawn a third time before it becomes more efficient than a Golem is completely absurd. Let’s make Duelyst a game with as few ‘noob-trap’ cards as possible, shall we?

  3. Winterblade. Still. Forever. If Winterblade can’t kill it, how likely are you to want to get facepunched by it so that you can stun it? Far more importantly, how often does that stun power make it worth costing one more and giving one less attack than the faction’s Common artifact? Yes, it combos with Coldbiter – but it would be 100% better for the game if it explicitly didn’t combo with Coldbiter and either cost less or also stunned Generals…or something.

In a game as well-balanced as Duelyst is, these three things are just so painfully obvious outliers (and all three in the same below-the-curve direction) that it’s Really Obvious ™ that they just don’t fit in the with the game they exist in.

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#2

  1. Another reason to why it’s still random is because it apparently didn’t change outcomes of the games much in the playtesting. If the new expansion wasn’t coming, I’d instantly agree with you. But seeing as we don’t know what cards we’ll be getting for vet, for now I’ll let it slide.

  2. Yep. Card is utter trash. Make all Astrals share the same effect, arguably alter the stats and cost slightly and card might actually be somehow playable. It doesn’t even need to be good or average, just playable so such amazing artwork doesn’t go to waste.

  3. I agree, as the design itself behind the card wasn’t silly enough, it’s also heavily overcosted. I believe artifact that stun could even work and it does sound interesting despite being contradicting, but having the card in its current state just doesn’t make sense.

#3

I think Astral would be great if it’s affect applied to all 3 copies. Otherwise it’s always going to be unplayable.

#4

Even then you need to replace it twice before it’s better than the golem so probably not. Probably.

#5

I agree on all three. I suggest Artifact Defiler? Should cost 1, it is just so very, very bad at 2. The chance you’ll get more than one artifact with it is close to zero.

For winterblade, I think its main problem is its +2 attack making it cost too much. I’d like to see the +2 attack removed so that the cost can be decreased to 2 or 1.

#6
  1. Because of dervish synergy. With new expansion and structure synergy it will be in race
  2. Because of AETHERMASTER, lots of them
  3. Who cares? No one use it :joy:. It must stun generals to exist.
#7

I agree with the points made, however I do not think making the buff apply to all copies of astral crusader in the deck is the right direction to take. Since it would make those that have less than 3 copies of astral crusader, have “worse versions” of the same card. Since it only buffs itself so to speak. I think if it restored health when it was replaced then it would be far better. Honestly I think one of the reasons it was weak to begin with was because the developers did not want zero mana crusaders to be possible since it would enable OTK’s with time maelstrom in the late game for Vetruvian.

#8

Did I just read that Zirix should be able to summon 3/2s for 1 mana ?

#9

Yep. A 3/2 minion with the text “summon this minion in a random space nearby your General” would be a perfect candidate for a 1-mana minion. Given that 1 mana is worth slightly more than a 2/2 (witness Helm of Mechaz0r), the slight disadvantage of a random summon combined with the lack of a useful type or the Mech progression should more than suffice to justify a 3/2 statline.

And, as per Reva, a 1-cc minion translated into a BBS is totally within the realm of acceptability.

#10

I don’t think Zirix’s BBS is underpowered really, so much as Reva’s is just amazing. Some abilities are simply generally better than others.

The other two are definitely true, though this list could be way longer. You could add Skyrock to this list, for example.

#11

Oh, most definitely the list of “stuff I’d change if I had complete creative control over Duelyst” is at least…let’s see…at least three times longer than this list. :slight_smile: But these were the items that just seem genuinely “not Duelysty.” Skyrock, sure, whatever – but one thing that I’ve always loved about Duelyst is the lack of ‘trap cards’…except both Winterblade and Astral Crusader are very much exactly that.

#12

I agree with your list, the design of stun is just bad. How can a stunned enemy counterattack?!

#13

These are actually really good points, Zirix’s nerf blew him right down in terms of viability. And Astral Crusader is just unplayable. Winterblade :slight_smile:

#14

I wonder if there’s no word about Starhorn. I can’t tell something about Zirix because I don’t play Vet. But, yeah, Zirix isn’t very frightening when playing against… The two, Zirix and Starhorn, seem to be underpowered in comparison to the other generals.
Full agree with Astral (fully unplayable at the moment) and Winterblade.

#15

Starhorn is going to be getting some support next expansion, just got to hope it’s enough. At this moment, only thing I believe he needs is cards drawn by his BBS costing one less to eliminate the cost of BBS effectively because having the advantage of using your card first is obviously not enough to compensate giving your opponents cards as well. But that’s a whole another discussion though.

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