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3 losses in total to s rank with argeon

#10

Some perspective for thought:

Dioltas – Basically every two-drop in the game can kill him, he’s laughably weak to dispel and his totem needs another card to do anything that is even remotely close to being overpowered
Divine Bond – Pretty much useless in the early- to mid-game and only useful if you start the turn with a high hp minion intact and on the battlefield. Something which doesn’t come up too often because everybody knows that to beat Lyonar you have to kill their one minion per turn.
Sun Bloom – Good all-around dispel, but it’s almost always card disadvantage. It almost never gets you back into a game in which you are on the defensive. All it does is keep you from dying.
Holy Immolation – Together with the Regalia probably Lyonar’s strongest card. But even then it requires quite a bit of setup and and mostly just yields a 2-for-1.

Not too say that Lyonar is weak or that any of the cards you mentioned are weak, but I feel like people are a bit rash when it comes to calling something overpowered.

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#11

After quick and dirty check :
Lyonar : 2/7
Songhai : 0/4
Vet : 0/5
Abyss : 2/5
Magmar : 1/4
Vanar : 2/6
Neutral : 4/25
Total : 16/56 ≃ 28%

28% ≠ “Basically every two-drop”

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#12

If you’re gonna go so far as percentages I feel like it’s only fair to include side cases like backstab and the chance of getting ghost lightning from xho

ok maybe not xho but still, plus there’s a reasonable amount of cards that aren’t minions that do it for little investment

#13

Even including Xho, backstab and stuff, you will never reach “Basically every two-drop” which is the original statement :laughing:

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#14

Uhm… right. See, what I was trying to say is that Dioltas has so little health that he dies as soon as someone looks at him funny. He’s about as tough as a wet noodle. My Grandma could take him on. With both hands behind her back.

That doesn’t mean that he actually dies just when you look at him. Nor that he’s a noodle. And I don’t even have a grandmother anymore.

But what does it mean?

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#15

I still find it a reasonable 4drop and if my opponent :

  • wants to waste a dispell on it, fine by me, that’s one less dispell, and I still have a 5/3 annoying body
  • trade with a couple of small minions, or minion+spell, it’s ok, it’s 2 for 1 and I’ll still have a provoke Tomb after
  • trade with an average minion it’s 1 for 1 and I’ll still have a provoke Tomb after
  • trade with a small minion+General, it’s 5 damage, that 1/5th of the journey accomplished to opponent death

Diolta is a more that decent card to me. It’s rarely left unanswered, opponent waste minion, dispell or HP on it. And that’s always better to have a Dark Transformation, Pando, EntropDecay or Falcius+General on Diolta than on one of my late key cards.

Side-note : I don’t even play Lyonar, but I definitely play Dioltas :stuck_out_tongue:

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#16

funny thing is, i found myself playing the primus shieldmaster over dioltas in general. i think the shieldmaster has won me waaay more games than dioltas ever did.

#17

Dioltas is an annoying card, mainly due to the 0/10 tombstone with provoke it leaves behind. Since it limits where you can freely move and with it having 10 health it takes a while to remove through minion/general attacks which gives time to the person who plays it. While it also always spawns nearby the general which also makes finishing the game off harder with minions, as your likely to have to fight through its 10 health. Its just more dangerous in Lyonar because of divine bond which can make it a 10/10 with provoke. But I have seen Dioltas used in Abyssian to delay people in order to lay down more shadow creep or summon the swarm to beat people over.

As for the deck, I’m interested in how well Stormblade did within the deck. I’ve thought about crafting her a couple of times but I’ve not seen her in action to know how good she is.

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#18

Wesson, ehh? I generally go “ah fork, not this again” when I run into Aregon, but that IGN conjures some more painful memories than the usual Lyonar aggro.

Keep up the good work!

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#19

this was the first time for me using elix stormblade and i was pleasantly surprised. the extra mobility helps to close out drawn-out games or pick off annoying targets in defensive positions. I don’t think I would want to run more than 1 copy in this deck but who knows :slight_smile:

personally i liked her very much in this deck

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#20

hey :smiley: i remember our match, gg.

thank you for the kind words! hope i get to play you again :slight_smile:

#21

Interesting, looks like I’ll have to craft her one day then. Also congrats on the climb to S-Rank with the deck.

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#22

Thanks for this share! Saving this for after getting my Magmar ribbon.

:slight_smile:z

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#23

I haven’t played much Lyonar, but i decided to give it a go. I missed only Elyx and Ironcliffe Guardians and i have lots of spare dust, so why the hell not. I was pleasantly surprised, this deck rips apart through everything.

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#24

glad its been working out for you :slight_smile:

#26

This deck surprised me man, works like clockwork :slight_smile:

Nice job putting this tougher.

Do you have any other decklists that i can test out? Ty :wink:

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#27

if you are looking for competitive decks not really :stuck_out_tongue: i’m not a competitive player.

this deck was more like an accident because i wanted to get s rank quick with my alt account.

if you just wanna goof around, there’s a arcanyst/spellhai kaleos deck i posted somewhere in the forum.

#28

Here :wink:

Proud Member of the Kaleos “I like to move it” Fan Club :slight_smile:

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#29

How do you play it?

I read the comments and tyed it myself, so far way less than 50% win rate. Way too slow, gets eaten alive by aggro, no 0-1 mana minions so can’t get holly immulation plays before 6 mana, even after 9 mana turns it has no burst compred to other factions. ironcliffs and other big minions just get removed/transformed haven’t had a chance to play divine bond once in 16+ games.

#30

Welcome to Lyonar – the fairest of the fair factions. =D

Most of the time it’s about building your board while (ideally) going for pressure or (less ideally) value trades. One of the best situations you can find yourself in is to be able to attack the opposing general with your minions on your turn while he has to to trade his minions into yours to stave off death on his turn. Because, as you said, Lyonar has very little in terms of burst or reach. Every minion needs to chip away at the opponent 's life points while also trading with their minions, or else you’ll find yourself quickly out of cards while the opposing general is still at a healthy life total.

So overall strategy advice: try to pressure your opponent as much as possible. Force him to go for unfavourable plays. Make him react to your plays instead of you reacting to his. And don’t just go for value trades clearing the board every turn. That will rarely result in a win. Lyonar is trash-tier when it comes to playing the long game. They don’t have much in terms of removal, they lack good card draw and – most importantly – they have no inevitable late game (like Thumping Wave + Rush, Obliterate, BBS that goes face, etc.).

The new Spelljammer perfectly embodies what Lyonar wants in a card: it fights well, it poses a threat that needs to be answered and its effect usually gets you ahead in terms of cards while still being able to attack the opposing general. Nothing more satisfying than watching your opponent remove your Spelljammer on his turn after you have drawn cards off of him and gotten a punch or two in.

And yeah, once you hit Diamond, you’ll rarely be able to Divine Bond anything.